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December 25, 2014 at 5:32 pm #39378
dismores were also very smart to build that track next to a very busy highway. Free marketing is hard to get. Mrp and concept haulers badger mid state g and s …. Those tracks are a little off the beaten path. Hard to get exposure without big ad expense. Not sure there is enough money in kart tracks to budget mass marketing into a market like chicago…..
personally… I think the problem is a lack of marketing and the profit level to operate one of these tracks….. As far as mooresville….very unique market plus they have other profit sources.
December 24, 2014 at 8:36 am #39347
Most people we raced with when Concept Haulers was going great had to make a choice money wise between doing regionals or competing heavily at club races. It began with regional racers coming in and smoking everyone. Then the locals began to seek out good Yamaha’s and KPV blueprints to compete. Next you needed new chassis’ to compete in the regionals. Kart shops were doing a brisk business providing clutches, chassis’ and rebuilds.
Regionals grew and the club races became a secondary race where you prepared for the next upcoming regional.
The disconnect with the club started when your competitors started saving their fresh engines for the upcoming regionals. Pretty soon the competition fell apart. This was the beginning of lower class turnouts at the weekend club races. For a few years, the regionals basically became our club race.
The track owner tried to move to Rotax as a spec type class. The regionals didn’t let rotax in so fragmentation at the local level began. Rotax eventually died out at the club level. Some of the local Rotax guys tried nationals only to find out their box stock sealed rotax cant compete with the big team engines coming out of Florida. This took the wind out of some of the people who invested in Rotax.
For some reason a wreck during the KPV club race ended the KPV class at Concept Haulers. By far this was the best class of racing ever. The regionals have supported a very small kpv class. Not sure why this class isn’t the biggest because by far it has the most reliable, low cost high speed engine in karting. I think part of the demise of KPV may be due to WKA continuous rule changes regarding pipes. Anyway, KPV was the most cost effective high speed racing at Concept Haulers.
Tag racing was a joke to us club racers. We would watch ten leopards start a club race and 5 finish as everyone broke. Money pit and it still is.
Anyway Yamaha Sr never took off at our club and KPV was gone so we quit club racing.
So Yamaha became the engine. Can was the class. WKA ruled out cans. Threw a pipe on our great KT engines only to find out they suck with a pipe. End of WKA KT class for many.
So we quit kart racing like alot of other people.
1. KPV is the best speed for the money and can be competitive without many short term rebuilds. Clutch is bullet proof. Speed is fast.
2. lo206 racers will probably not become super TAG guys so there is no feeder for these national series.
3. Briggs Pro Gas can be made from an LO206.
4. Midwest club entries indicate somebody better follow new castle lead.
5. There are so many different opinions that karting will probably never be able to work it out in the us. Too many ball sports here that take away from motorsports. Plus most people would never put up with escalating costs.
December 23, 2014 at 1:16 pm #39325
I went to mylaps found three of them..the last races. New Castle looks real good. Most of the big classes are all LO206.
New Castle 160 entries
MRP 39 entries
Concept Haulers 21 entries
USPKS vs WKA: The biggest reason for my family. The Yamaha Pipe decision.
December 23, 2014 at 1:00 pm #39322
It would be nice to hear from members/club racers at the following tracks just to get an average kart count for a weekend club race:
December 13, 2014 at 4:17 pm #38840
December 12, 2014 at 3:57 pm #38798
The builds are different. Daniel is one smart guy. Let him know. Sorry for the bad news.
December 12, 2014 at 11:52 am #38792
if you take that wka pipe off and stick on that USpks can…..don’t expect your ole Yamaha to perform like it did with the pipe… Or the other way around….
December 3, 2014 at 6:11 am #38204
Tj that is great.
December 3, 2014 at 5:12 am #38189
you know this is going to kill local kart tracks. I remember when tracks ran wka rules etc. now what will they do?
looks to me like there will be these super multi series racers with multiple engines competing with the same guys for the next ten years or so….. Big deep pockets with similar rich kid feeders coming from national junior races. Clubs will get destroyed.
Raced a couple kt races last year at Route 66. Not so much excitement as a few people told us all the good racers are running tag. Not sure I agree with them but it did Sorta took the wind out of it all. We won a trophy….got in some tussles and left pretty much ready to move on.
Maybe a new rich man big tent sport with no room for family racers .
Anyway….time moves on and all things do change. Need to quit complaining and go race the car. My sons tell me to forget about it and focus on the stock car. Guess they are right.
November 25, 2014 at 8:53 am #37728
He is on here….search him out and listen to everything he tells you. If you don’t, you will spend a lot of money re-buying a lot of things.
Even if you can’t drive…you will know it is you and not the equipment. just google his name if you cant find him here. He owns sprint animal racing. you can also go to bobs 4 cycle website and find him on there. don’t settle for anything less. in the end you will save a lot of money and frustration.
You can also race a Comet Eagle chassis which is very similar to an arrow ax9 4x. Call Comet Kart Sales. They may have a used AX94s or an Eagle Chassis.
November 23, 2014 at 11:53 am #37634
Get an arrow ax94s from Gary Lawson. Do everything he says to do. Never change it…no matter what anybody tells you. Period end.
November 16, 2014 at 1:17 pm #37197
It’s all been said… Over and over….
May 27, 2014 at 5:54 pm #28036
Ylb set sold. Ylc rears 65.00 still available.
February 9, 2014 at 5:57 am #21203
February 9, 2014 at 5:56 am #21202
February 8, 2014 at 3:02 pm #21189
August 12, 2013 at 12:27 pm #6824
Gary…u might be right…
August 12, 2013 at 12:23 pm #6822
hope this change gets more people out racing…sad when today 20 kart fields get people excited. we used to get more than 20 a class at our local club. Now I think total entry counts are under 40.
March 5, 2014 at 4:55 am #23217
The pipe was very good for karting: it is faster for some and quieter for all. the introduction of the pipe has done well for the growth of TAG racing and the emergence of L0206 Racing.
If you loved can racing, you now race USPKS and Route 66.