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  • #43020

    Jon Romenesko
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    Depends.  They could all likely be fast, it’s going to largely depend on what sort of tires you will be running.  We run a very hard tire (Duro) in our club, and that seems to favor a softer chassis.  If it’s a softer tire, you might be able to get away with a stiffer chassis.  The OTK chassis (FA Kart) seem to respond well to the LO206 and a hard tire around here.

     

    Which one is prettier?  Ha!

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  • #43018

    Jon Romenesko
    Participant

    What kind of tires?  That’s going to make the biggest difference, IMO.  Generally i’ve found that i’m constantly trying to find ways to remove rear grip and free up the chassis.

    GP10/CR125
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  • #40998

    Jon Romenesko
    Participant

    World Formula and LO206 are certainly different classes.  Both are based around the same block, but the WF makes about 5hp more than a LO206 (which is around 10).  LO206 is a hand built, sealed Briggs Animal, and the WF  has a few upgrades that make the extra power.  You could probably use the same chassis and just swap the engines out, but you’ll need 2 engines if you want to run in both classes.

     

    This topic will probably interest you.

    Switching Between LO206 and World Formula

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  • #40063

    Jon Romenesko
    Participant

    FWIW, K1 has said on Facebook that they’re moving into the outdoor business.  Sounds to me like the electric karts are staying at the indoor facilities, but they’re going to use the CRG rental karts on a new track in so-cal called the ‘K1 circuit’.  See the comments on this post…

     

    From K1 RaceGear: To All: We would like to provide some clarification. As you read the OFFICIAL press release (as the…

    Posted by Kart360 on Friday, December 26, 2014

     

    This whole announcement has certainly been interesting to say the least!  I’m hoping that CRG and K1 use the opportunity to promote the hell out of karting to their massive customer base at their indoor tracks.  Could be huge for the sport!

     

    Who says karting doesn’t have a silly season!

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  • #39273

    Jon Romenesko
    Participant

    100mph out of an Animal?  Not a chance.  Well, ok…maybe with a tailwind…off a cliff.  Or as a Bonneville special.  Or maybe on a road course (see James’ post).  If you’re talking both in sit-up sprint setups, then there’s no way.

     

    The Animals are great engines, but aren’t really comparable to a shifter aside from the fact that they’re both kart engines.

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  • #39272

    Jon Romenesko
    Participant

    Isn’t the LO206 fundamentally the same engine (block) as the WF?  As I understand it, it’s mostly the ruleset (and a few parts, notably the Ignition) that makes the WF faster.

     

    I would imagine that you could swap them out with virtually no changes, provided you had the same motor mount & clutches.  FWIW, the LO206 is by far the easiest engine to remove that i’ve ever had.

    GP10/CR125
    S2 Semi-Pro Stock Moto - SKUSA Rocky Mountain ProKart Challenge

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  • #39271

    Jon Romenesko
    Participant

    A DD2 is the perfect kart if you want something that’s no fuss, no mess, reliable, easy to drive, and faster than a single speed (senior) Rotax.  It’s great for guys who just want a badass toy to play with.

     

    However, like everyone else has pointed out, if you want to race them then the fields are usually tiny.  That, and the stock moto is going to drive away from it on track.  Here in Colorado, we might get lucky and have 4 DD2s show up to a race.  Usually its one or two…or none.  We usually run them with the stock motos and have them do a rolling start around 30s after the shifters start.  We have a few national caliber drivers here that race them, but it’s usually only on the national scene…occasionally in a club race if they want to get some seat time.

     

    Would definitely recommend the moto if you want to shift!

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  • #36433

    Jon Romenesko
    Participant

    Sounds like a fun event…hoping to make it out there one of these years!

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  • #35033

    Jon Romenesko
    Participant

    Not those specifically, but I put some Stainless Steel ones on my shifter chassis.  Regardless of which ones you buy, its worth every penny.

     

    Always Use (chassis) Protection

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  • #34659

    Jon Romenesko
    Participant

    We’re fortunate to have several tracks in and around the Denver area;

     

    The Track @ Centennial (in southeast Denver)

    http://www.thetrack.us

     

    IMI Motorsports (about 30 mins north of Denver)

    http://www.imimotorsports.com

     

    Action Karting (west of Denver, at Bandimere Speedway)

    http://www.actionkarting.net

     

    SBR Motorsports (in Calhan, east of Colorado Springs…about 1hr 30min from Denver)

    http://www.sbrmotorsportspark.com

     

    Grand Junction Motor Speedway (about 4 hours west of Denver, well worth the drive)

    http://gjmotorspeedway.com

     

     

    We also have a local forum…

    http://www.thecoloradokarter.com/phpBB3/

     

    There are several series here, and Rotax and Stock Honda are going to be the two most popular engines state-wide.  The Track actually has one of the largest Rotax clubs in the whole USA, and they added a super economical (and fun!) Briggs LO206 class this year that’s been attracting 20+ entries every race (our season just ended yesterday).  We also have a SKUSA region that is home to a few of the countries top Stock Honda pilots.

     

    I don’t think there’s anywhere around here that would officially support a class for your ICC, but you see the occasional ‘outlaw’ class where (almost) anything goes.

     

    Also, we’re at high altitude here, so be prepared to re-jet everything!

     

    Denver (and Colorado in general) is great, you’ll like it here!

    GP10/CR125
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  • #32860

    Jon Romenesko
    Participant

    I honestly have nothing bad to say about it.  Our local track just adopted the class this year, so we are all pretty new to the formula, but that’s the general feeling throughout the paddock.  Our (combined) field of LO206 is consistently probably 10 entries higher than the (combined) Rotax class at every race, and the racing is much better!

     

    We run on Duro tires, which are a pretty hard compound (they’re a rental tire, I believe) but have proven to be a pretty good match for the low HP briggs, incredibly durable (6 races on mine, several practices, and probably only hallway down the wear indicators), and very inexpensive (under $150 a set).  That’s the real key to keeping the class affordable, IMO.  The Duro tires will easily last all season, and there’s no advantage to strapping on new tires.  They may not offer the grip and speed of other tires, but that’s not what this class is about!

     

    So far, I’m willing to say its probably the best racing engine i’ve owned.  Rotax and Stock Honda are quite obviously faster, but monumentally more expensive to run, tricky to tune, etc.  With the Briggs, its just oil, gas, and race.  The rest is figuring out the chassis and driving, which is how karting should be at the club level.

     

    My Stock Honda has sat unused all year…and is probably going up for sale soon.

    GP10/CR125
    S2 Semi-Pro Stock Moto - SKUSA Rocky Mountain ProKart Challenge

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  • #32310

    Jon Romenesko
    Participant

    Yeah, sounds like a load of BS to me.  Here in the states, the LO206 is a stock class. Period. The blocks are sealed, and once that seal has been cut, the engine is no longer eligible for competition.  It’s not like Rotax where you can cherry pick the best parts, and then have an authorized dealer reseal the engine to make it legal. So far, performance from engine to engine thas been incredibly even across the board around here.

    GP10/CR125
    S2 Semi-Pro Stock Moto - SKUSA Rocky Mountain ProKart Challenge

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  • #31503

    Jon Romenesko
    Participant

    Yeah, it definitely sounded like a crazy, brutal event on several different fronts.  But that’s just based on what I saw flying around Facebook/Twitter/Instagram…I wasn’t there!  I’m also interested in hearing from some of the people who were on the ground.

    GP10/CR125
    S2 Semi-Pro Stock Moto - SKUSA Rocky Mountain ProKart Challenge

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  • #29637

    Jon Romenesko
    Participant

    I use the Amsoil 4T in my LO206.  Why?  Because it’s the Briggs recommended oil, and was developed specifically for the Animal series.  No additives, why would you need to?

    I’ve been changing it every other race weekend…still in one piece so far!

    GP10/CR125
    S2 Semi-Pro Stock Moto - SKUSA Rocky Mountain ProKart Challenge

    http://theslipangle.com/

  • #28294

    Jon Romenesko
    Participant

    Denver, Colorado is great, obviously…but I’m a bit biased!

     

    in Denver, you’ve got 3 kart tracks (The Track @ Centennial, IMI, Bandimere) all within ~45 minutes of about anywhere in the metro area.  GJMS (Grand Junction) ~4 hours, and SBR (Colorado Springs), ~2 hours.

     

    As far as ski areas go…Loveland, Copper, Keystone, Breckenridge, Vail, Arapahoe Basin, Eldora, and Winter Park are all about 2 hours or less from Denver (traffic dependent). And there are a ton more within about 4 hours drive.

     

    There are lots of great reasons to live here, karting and skiing are definitely at the top of that list!

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  • #26107

    Jon Romenesko
    Participant

    Arrow, no contest.  A bunch of guys are running them around here in LO206, and it seems to work well.

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    S2 Semi-Pro Stock Moto - SKUSA Rocky Mountain ProKart Challenge

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  • #26106

    Jon Romenesko
    Participant

    Thanks Walter, that’s a bit of a bummer to hear….

    GP10/CR125
    S2 Semi-Pro Stock Moto - SKUSA Rocky Mountain ProKart Challenge

    http://theslipangle.com/

  • #25902

    Jon Romenesko
    Participant

    New batteries doesn’t change it, unfortunately. I’ll see if I can get in touch with someone at Margay. thanks!

    GP10/CR125
    S2 Semi-Pro Stock Moto - SKUSA Rocky Mountain ProKart Challenge

    http://theslipangle.com/

  • #25085

    Jon Romenesko
    Participant

    Thanks guys. Not too far off what I was thinking. My understanding is that the bottom end of the WF is essentially the same as the animal/206, so that procedure should work nicely.

    GP10/CR125
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  • #24924

    Jon Romenesko
    Participant

    The 2-strokes we use in karting tend to be pretty high strung, so as a result you generally have to spend a lot to keep them running their best. They are racing engines after all!  And then there’s the fact that the faster classes use stickier tires, more expensive fuel & oil (and more of it), etc…

     

    2-strokes have also been the norm for karting for many years, so they’re more widely raced across the world. It’s not really that they bring the higher quality drivers, it’s more that it’s what’s raced at the national/international level. I’d wager most of the people on this forum race a 2-stroke.  The LO206 is a great place to start, and if I had to do it all over again it’s where I’d start too.  It will give you an opportunity to work on your driving rather than trying to figure out how to tune a carb, rebuild a top end, etc…the learning curve can be very steep when you’re starting out, so anything helps.  if you find yourself looking for a new challenge, or a faster kart after a few years, that’s when I would start looking at 2-strokes.

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  • #24919

    Jon Romenesko
    Participant

    I have some stainless steel  skid plates from PKT…so far so good!

     

    Always Use (chassis) Protection

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  • #18011

    Jon Romenesko
    Participant

    Out of business a few years back, sadly. Like David said, Doug went to work in the non-karting world. His son Greg is running the racing team at Unser Racing.  It’s too bad, they made nice stuff, all machined here in the USA. And it was nice to have an alternative to expensive euro parts that were also intelligently designed.  I, for one loved the fact that they were only a 30 minute drive, too!

    GP10/CR125
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  • #17634

    Jon Romenesko
    Participant

    I used to haul mine in the back of my Moms minivan (Chrysler Town & Country) until I bought a trailer.  Took the side pods, nose, and rear wheels (with hubs) off and it fit in just fine.  Plenty of room for stand, tools & extras if you stack carefully.  You definitely need two people to load/unload.  I’ve also shoved one into the back of a mid 90s Subaru Legacy wagon, but that was a pretty tight fit.

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  • #15433

    Jon Romenesko
    Participant

    Used to be Rocky Mountain Kartworks, sadly not around any more.  Three I can think of off the top of my head…

     

    https://www.facebook.com/gparizona

     

    http://www.corridakarting.com

     

    http://www.cfmotorsports.com/Home.html

     

    Hopefully they’re still all around…

    GP10/CR125
    S2 Semi-Pro Stock Moto - SKUSA Rocky Mountain ProKart Challenge

    http://theslipangle.com/

  • #14793

    Jon Romenesko
    Participant

    Looks like it will be a GoPro then. So, Next questions, LOL… Tell me about the types of mounts you all use? I’ve seen them on tops of helmets, on the sides of helmets, attached to the kart in the front, on the rear looking past the drivers shoulder, and who knows where else. Also, what size SD card should I consider since according to GoPro they don’t come with any card. I was thinking a 32.

     

    I feel like now may be a good time for me to self-promote, haha…

     

    How to: mount your GoPro on your GoKart

     

    GoPros really are pretty great, and are almost the defacto industry standard these days.  Contour has gone out of business recently, so keep that in mind.

     

    As far as SD cards go, I use a 32gb.  I don’t know if the new Hero3+ has this issue, but there was an issue with the Hero3s corrupting large (64gb) cards and people were losing all their footage.  Besides, 32gb is plenty for a weekend at the track, i’ve found.  Make sure to get a high quality one (class 10), otherwise you might run into vibration problems or poor captures.

     

    Pick up some extra batteries too (the battery life isn’t the best on the Hero3), i’d highly recommend this:

    http://www.amazon.com/Wasabi-Power-AHDBT-201-AHDBT-301-AHDBT-302/dp/B00AAIPT76/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1383716506&sr=8-1&keywords=wasabi+battery

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    S2 Semi-Pro Stock Moto - SKUSA Rocky Mountain ProKart Challenge

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