December 16, 2014 at 7:35 am #38990
all the talk at the track over the weekend was about the new motors and the old motors and where will all this go…I threw out the idea for a new local class — Rotax Max Open. VERY relaxed rules — 1) spec weight, 2) spec tires, 3) one motor per race, 4) must run qualifier, pre-final, and final, and finally 4) must stop and start in traditional TAG style….thats it…anything else goes–porting, aftermarket parts, raised compression, different carbs and air boxes, aftermarket ignitions, whatever you want as long as it’ll last from qualifying to the checkers in the final….
These “old Max” parts are going to be VERY affordable in about 90 days if they’re not already, and there’s a bunch of people who are gonna get excluded because the wont or cant upgrade to the new motor…..I say be inclusive, relax the rules, forget the seals and lets see how good these motor builders really are….could be interesting….”Outlaw Max Class” :-)
December 16, 2014 at 2:51 pm #39012Phil WebberParticipant
Count me in!
December 17, 2014 at 5:50 am #39035Walt GiffordParticipant
So the new Max with mods is legal in your event. Modified Rotax what could be more expensive.
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December 17, 2014 at 11:23 am #39047Chris JenningsParticipant
It will be a small field at best. Open/Modified racing formats have proven time and time again that this format is not sustainable in the long run. With current spec racing formats available with large fields of competitive drivers, these classes generally end up populated with the drivers that are not competitive in the spec classes. It could be fun for a few as long as the expectation for the class is realistic. Karting is already too fragmented as anyone else will tell you.
December 17, 2014 at 11:50 am #39048
I guess my post wasn’t clear…there is a group of guys here LOCALLY that have the old version Max, quite a few in fact. Many of these guys are pretty bummed out about the upgrades and the new motor release as they wont be competitive (even with the upgrades) when up against the new evo….and most of these guys like their old Max motors, they’re rock solid and easy to work on….remember, I talking local racing, not strict RMAX rules, so no sealed motors here.
For a few years we’ve always talked about how the Max had more to give, but the restrictions built in by rotax and their rules made those extra horses illegal….ya know, “run a 28mm slide Mikuni and Nox Box”, or a “30mm VHSH shifter carb with an open filter”, or “run the dd2 cylinder with the dd2 pipe and this size jet and MAN!”, or “…I know a guy that can reprogram the coil with a different ignition curve..”, or “ya know, if you raised the compression, lowered the ports and ran the dd2 coil, you can easy get 31-32 horsepower out of that engine…..” whatever, we’ve all heard it.
We’ve all heard the talk, but it’s always been illegal and expensive due to the cost of Max parts…well now that there’s a new engine that has new internals along iwth new everything else, the parts for the old Max are going to be worthless if they arent already…I have several Max motors…I have dyno tuned, built max that I paid a bunch for this time last year, I cant get $1500 for it now as a complete package….another guy haggled with me over an micromax package for $700 that had the new style clutch and cylinder and a passport…check out ebay, its loaded with rotax parts…sure MaxSpeed says “run your old engine, it’ll still be legal”, but we all know that wont last. Their goal is to move units, and ultimately they want all of us to go out and buy a new Evo.
So, once again, people who want to participate will not be allowed to because they cant or wont buy the new “correct” engine. My thought was to say ok fine, if you want to race your new evo there’s places to do that….if you have an old max and now with parts being cheap, why not try that 30mm carb with the other filter, or whatever. The idea was to have a place for people who cant go and run RMAX races anymore, that’s it, not start a new money pit class.
December 17, 2014 at 1:46 pm #39058Craig DrabikParticipant
This is club racing, right? Why not just allow the old engines, and adjust weights if you have to? I’ve been a little perplexed with the conversations around Rotax and Leopard/X30. I get it for the national guys, but for the clubs? Does anyone really see the clubs saying “Sorry, you can’t race that Leopard or Rotax you’ve been running for the last five years anymore.”?
December 18, 2014 at 3:21 am #39084
Craig, with TAG classes disappearing, if u have a Max you are placed in a Max class if there is no TAG. Most of the tracks in my area that run Max classes run current Max Challenge rules, even at local level.
December 18, 2014 at 11:37 am #39111Eric AlexanderParticipant
Maybe by 2016 there can be a class for unsealed engines with starters. Someplace where older Rotax and Leopards can race. We can call it TaG. ;-)
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