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This topic contains 19 replies, has 13 voices, and was last updated by  Walt Gifford 3 years, 5 months ago.

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  • #51044

    Walt Gifford
    Participant

    How far can hair go out the back of your helmet before it’s a problem at safety tech? Talking about upright sprint karts.

    Gif

    FAA certified jet engine and aircraft technician,
    Nicholson Speedway class champion 2001,
    Yamaha KT100 Service Center,
    41 years karting experience

  • #51045

    David Cole
    Keymaster

    IMO, there should be NO hair allowed out of the back of your helmet. Persons with long hair should wear a head sock or balaclava to prevent any hair from coming out of the helmet or suit. That should be posted in all karting regulations. I just checked WKA, and did not see it in their driver safety section.

    David Cole - EKN Managing Editor

  • #51047

    FREDDY SANDOVAL
    Participant

    Walt

    There have been horrible long hair accidents in the past, where women have lost all the flesh off their faces ( face off ) Tragically there have been a few cases about this issue, and sadly it was always a joy ride, a girl that was invited to try karting, and was never advised or encouraged about the danger of long hair.

    David Cole is right, this should be posted in every track, every club, and every rule book, it’s only commune cense. I personally would encourage everyone with long hair, no matter how long it is, to put it on a pony tail, tuck it inside the suit and put on a head sock.

  • #51052

    Greg Wright
    Participant

    I’ve seen a scalping happen at the track, not something I would ever want to see again. David you may know the one I’m talking about.

    Greg Wright
    Rapid Racing Inc.
    Vintage B-Stock Pilot
    "When in doubt Gas it, It won't help but it ends the suspense."

  • #51054

    Walt Gifford
    Participant

    What about 6 inches, not talking lay down karts. That’s still got to be a good 2 foot from the axle.

    FAA certified jet engine and aircraft technician,
    Nicholson Speedway class champion 2001,
    Yamaha KT100 Service Center,
    41 years karting experience

  • #51056

    Peter Zambos
    Participant

    Yep, zilch is the correct number of inches your hair should be outside of your safety gear.
    I believe I was nearby that incident as well.

  • #51058

    Debbie Kuntze
    Participant

    I agree that NO HAIR should be below the helmet. I have hair down to my waist-it all goes on top of my head before the helmet goes on. I didn’t wear a sock while racing, but had a good way of securing it and it never came down.

    Even 6 inches in a sit up-what happens if a seat strut breaks or because of accident head gets thrown too far back. I just wouldn’t take the chance even if a scenario is far fetched. Heck I put it up when playing on indoor karts where I am way above the axels.

  • #51065

    Walt Gifford
    Participant

    Requesting pics.

    FAA certified jet engine and aircraft technician,
    Nicholson Speedway class champion 2001,
    Yamaha KT100 Service Center,
    41 years karting experience

  • #51067

    David Cole
    Keymaster

    Walt,

    What do you need pictures of? As it has been said, there should be no hair allowed outside of the helmet. Ask Sabre Cook, Ashley Rogero and all the other female drivers. None of them allow their hair to come out of the helmet.

    David Cole - EKN Managing Editor

  • #51068

    FREDDY SANDOVAL
    Participant

    No need for pictures. These are usually very sad stories, and too graphic

    Just take our word for it, and believe us, even if it’s 6 inches long just be smart and protect it. It is not worth the risk, Just like Debbie said (never take chances on that)

    • #51069

      Tom Grisham
      Participant

      Absolutely no hair should be out of the safety gear.  The last thing I do before firing the kart is a hair check.  Typically if long hair is in a ponytail and tucked into the suit all is good.  However, if even a strand is out (in our case blond) I take my greasy fingers and tuck it back in.

      I believe IKF, and likely other organizations, require that no hair be outside the gear.

      Should be an immediate black flag if hair ever comes out during a race or practice.

      I would think the danger might be as great in the pits around running engines/turning axles so this would be another area to use caution and common sense…

  • #51073

    brian downing
    Participant

    Only a minimum amount of hair is allowed to be tucked inside the helmet. I can’t recall the exact amount, but its a small amount. Too much hair tucked inside the helmet reduces the efficacy of the helmet’s ability to absorb energy in an impact. I’m certain I’ve seen written regulations but I can remember where.

  • #51080

    Walt Gifford
    Participant

    What do you do if your hair is too short to ponytail and too long to hide in the helmet? A little might sneak out. Check the Margay pic on kartgirls.com

    Gif

    FAA certified jet engine and aircraft technician,
    Nicholson Speedway class champion 2001,
    Yamaha KT100 Service Center,
    41 years karting experience

  • #51083

    George Young
    Participant

    Head sock.

  • #51110

    johnny brooks
    Participant

    2015 WKA Manual, page 25, sec. 115.4:

    NOTE: If driver’s hair extends appreciably from beneath helmet, it is MANDATORY that the driver wears a “balaclava” or head-sock to prevent the hair from extending outside helmet. …….

    To me, ‘appreciably’ is rather vague, but ‘to prevent the hair from extending outside helmet’ is concise.
    If I was doing pre-tech and suspected someone’s hair of being too long, I’d have ’em put on their helmet and if hair was below the bottom edge of the helmet, tell them to get a sock. If none available, I’d give them my unused spare.

  • #51112

    Linda Baldus
    Participant

    I’m surprised no one has mentioned the person starting the kart.  I’ve seen people with long hair hanging over the chain while starting someone’s engine and know that to be a hazard too.

    I know of at least two people that have gotten their hair caught in the axle of a laydown before the balaclava rule came in.  It wasn’t pretty.

    Unfortunately I believe the orgs have gotten kind of complacent about it since there hasn’t been an accident lately.

    Keep on kartin'. llb
    Raymore, MO
    lindabaldus@hotmail.com

  • #51113

    Debbie Kuntze
    Participant

    Brian -I get my helmet’s fitted with the way my hair is put up. Plus, it’s long but not thick.

    Linda-in pits my hair is up and under a hat as well-no chances!

    In other words I learned my lesson in auto shop many years ago when it got caught in a grinder-quick reflexes saved my scalp-literally!

  • #51148

    Steven Peters
    Participant

    I most certainly agree with the idea that no hair should extend below the helmet… and if it long enough that it would… a headsock should be worn.

    Like Greg, I’ve witnessed it also and after 25 years it seems like it was this past weekend.

    Steven Peters
    Team Valhalla Racing

  • #51467

    Brian Wilhelm
    Participant

    It’s not anything I ever want to see again. Tucking a ponytail down the back of a jacket is NOT adequate. The accident at an Enid, Ok. race was due to a ponytail working it’s way back up out of a jacket. The KART rulebook suggests a hooded t-shirt, and it’s a very good solution. Most folks I’ve seen with them cut them off just below the arms so it’s not too hot. No way your ponytail is getting anywhere near the axle if you are wearing that.

  • #51486

    Walt Gifford
    Participant

    Seriously, nobody else wants to see pics of Debbie’s long hair?

    Gif

    FAA certified jet engine and aircraft technician,
    Nicholson Speedway class champion 2001,
    Yamaha KT100 Service Center,
    41 years karting experience

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