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    • #48127
      David Cole
      Keymaster

      An article from Autosport.com came out on Monday, discussing a new kart and series promoted by British Touring Car Championship squad Team BMR. The operation has developed their own front-engined, front wheel kart to train drivers to race in the road racing cars series. For 2016, they are looking to create their own championship series with three classes, including one aboard their own front engine karts and a solid prize package.

      What are your thoughts on a front-wheel drive kart?

      David Cole - EKN Managing Editor

    • #48128
      johnny brooks
      Participant

      Looks like a four stroke in the picture…with those fat front tires I bet torque-steer’s a bitch!

      Long steering column and rearward placement of driver means a whole new engineering model for frame flex….I wonder if inside rear lift will be the norm?

      “Grasshopper, you must achieve proper ‘male dog pissing’ posture to get thru apex faster!”  :)

    • #48138
      Patrick Roth
      Participant

      Kudos to them for dreaming it up and making it a reality! On the other hand I see it as just another “karting” novelty like a kart with a 1300cc Hyabusa motor strapped to it, or 10,000 ft-lbs worth of electric motors, or 2 person karts, or 4 engines, or 6 wheels, or hoverkarts… ;)

      Not sure what they accomplished that couldn’t have been done by taking the body off of a small FWD car? I guess by shrinking it down to a kart size, they are able to race with other non-FWD karts… Not sure I buy that it really is that good for training as lift-off oversteer seems minor in trying to learn to race a car with a relatively large amount of suspension travel and mass when compared to a kart.

    • #48143
      TJ Koyen
      Moderator

      AH KILL IT WITH FIRE

      So hideous. Karting’s got the worst case of “can’t leave well-enough alone”. New engines, series, rules etc. pop up every week. And then we get this thing…

      It has no purpose. If these guys think anyone is going to move “up” from traditional karts to this jalopy, I would venture to guess they are wrong.

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    • #48159
      Walt Gifford
      Participant

      Ug the heat.

      FAA certified jet engine and aircraft technician,
      Nicholson Speedway class champion 2001,
      Yamaha KT100 Service Center,
      41 years karting experience

      • #48194
        Kelly Read
        Participant

        BIG CREDIT goes out to these guys for there thoughts & engineering!!!!

        The down falls I see here are:

        1) Heat off the motor.

        2) You hit something up front and you could ruin more then the kart (motor pkg.) let alone having the motor in your lap.

        3) Steering. Unless they have the weight distribution right, better have strong arms.

        4) Arrow. Going to catch some major drag. May not be bad on a sprint track??

        Here in KART land, we have made some REAR engine “laydown” animal karts in the road race division that have done real well. The main object was to give the driver more compartment space especially those that are wide up in the shoulder area since the animal motor is much wider then most motors we currently race.

    • #48210
      Greg Lindahl
      Participant

      I like their construction/engineering ideas.  Proof is in performance.

      It’s very easy to poo-poo anything different.  Anyone can do that.  It takes independent confidence to try new ideas.

      Maybe they’re training drivers for the new Nissan LMP1 car, set to race at Le Mans in a couple of weeks.  Quite similar dynamics.

    • #48235
      Brian Mead
      Participant

      This isn’t new. fwd stuff was tried awhile back, rummage around the vintage sites.
      Can I assume they at least hacked the rear axle in half, put on 2 more bearings and another brake on? Must be a shifter of some sort, don’t see any chain, and given the length of the steering column and all that wt up front, how’s about a bigger steering wheel? There’s a purpose for this I’m sure, though I’m at a loss as to what it is. Everyone else up to this point that moved from karts to cars seemed to do really swell, why go through all that? Is that grumpy guy that made solo karts over there still in the business? Betcha he could weld up some standard beauties at much less cost. Betcha.

    • #48236
      michael smith
      Participant
      • #48655
        Alan Sheidler
        Participant

        Nice photo, Michael.

         

        Looks like double wishbone independent suspensions, front and rear.  That kart must be heavy, and a complicated one to setup too.

    • #48291
      Mark Lockett
      Participant

      NO!! Just no!!

    • #48549
      James Frantz
      Participant

      Just what karting doesn’t need! Another class. Not to mention the expense.

    • #48916
      Tim Pappas
      Participant

      I am amazed and frankly disappointed that the karting world and for that matter, the whole racing world finds innovation so distasteful. Racing has become a completely boring “oneness, sameness, gotta just have what everyone haveness”. Creativity is not only frowned upon, it’s been mostly legislated out of racing. I am not saying this fwd kart is a good idea, time will tell. But I find the creativity refreshing.

      Okay, you guys can close this thread now and go back to your green kart and on single make engine racing.

    • #48947
      Greg Wright
      Participant

      I agree Mr. Tappas but this thing is a bit over the top and can’t be considered a kart with that front suspension.

      Greg Wright
      Rapid Racing Inc.
      Vintage B-Stock Pilot
      "When in doubt Gas it, It won't help but it ends the suspense."

    • #49218
      Roger Ruthhart
      Participant

      It probably has better traction in the snow than rear wheel drive!

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