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  • #5324

    nigel cooper
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    In a post from the past in “All things 250” ,it is mentioned to increase the cylinder cc by 1.5 cubic centimeters (among other things) on a non race  engine.I have not done this before and was wondering how that volume is determined.Im guessing I use the dremel and follow the cylinder head profile.Do you just guess at how much to remove? Do you have to use a burrette and thick oil,measurebefore starting and go from there?Do you have to keep going back and forth with removing the head,do some grinding,put it back on,measuring over and over until you get it right? CanI have the concept of the volume of 1.5 cubic cm spread out on the head and just remove what  I feel that it is? would the reduction of cc`s also apply to non race cr125 engines as well?

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    Ian Harrison
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    Hi Nigel

    This is usually done by spinning the head (or head insert) in a lathe and turning out some material.

    Now I’m not saying that you can’t do it with a Dremel, but it will certainly be tedious and difficult to get a consistent geometry

    There is a lot of experimentation to be done with combustion shapes, volumes and squish band design. These designs are verified by dyno/track testing and then chambers are produced on a CNC machine to those designs for sale to give specific power characteristics.

    In terms of just adding 1.5cc of volume, and keeping it as simple as possible, then it’s probably easiest to just follow the existing profile.

    The procedure I would follow is to first weigh the head (or inset) on a set of precision 1kg digital scales (cheap off Ebay – sometimes known as drug dealers scales!!) and measure the volume with a burette. So lets say you do this on the engine with the piston grease sealed to the bore at TDC and measure a volume of 21.5cc including the plug hole.  The target volume is to be 23cc. Now we want to remove 1.5cc of aluminium from the combustion chamber. The density of aluminium is 2.7 grams/cc, so we want to remove 1.5 x 2.7 = 4.05 grams of aluminium.

    In the case of an insert, it might have a starting weight of 108 grams, so our target weight is 103.95 grams.

    It’s much easier to just keep putting the head/insert on the scales rather than having to keep bringing the burette into play and installing/removing the head from the engine.

    In terms of estimating how much to remove, it is really just guesswork until you gain experience, so at first just go at it slowly with frequent weighing.

    Lots of different views on the best liquid to use in a burette, anything from very light machine oil or a 50/50 oil/paraffin mix to the degreasing fluid out of a workshop parts washer. Certainly not a heavy oil as half of it will be left sticking to the wall of the burette!

    Yes the same would apply to a 125, but the target increase would be say 0.75cc. The increase in volume, just gives a free revving motor with better over-rev.

    I hope that helps, and good luck.

    Ian :-)

  • #5388

    nigel cooper
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    thankyou Ian (once again) You certainly are one of the masters of info,sharing and explaining.This has really helped me and hopefully anyone else that has/wants to build a 250 “fun kart”

    nc

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