Circuit of the Americas 2014

[Benn Herr]

Just wanted to get this on the forum!

[Debbie Kuntze]

Need to stick the poster on 250’s Tag, Shifter, General and Events!

[Ray Chiappe]

On the old site EKN had a thread “Is our sport in trouble”? Well it looks like we could have the biggest Road Race in quite awhile next summer. To celebrate this race, maybe it is time to bury the Hatchet and let Bernie back on this site??? Just saying!?

[Clark Gaynor Sr.]

Ditto Ray. It’s time Bernie was allowed back. Everyone knows who’s making the posts, so let’s knock off the nonsense. It’s a big effort and risk by Bernie!!
Rob, David??!!
Bernie, behave??!!

Clark Sr.

[johnny brooks]

From the ‘Welcome…’ thread:

July 17, 2013 at 10:55 pm #3903

Bernard Adamson
Participant

Good luck with the new look site. Looking really good

I believe our favorite Leprechaun is already back! :)

[Don Johnson]

Bernie,

Welcome back!!

We enjoy your perspective, your insight, your fervor.

Please keep it cool, keep your cool, and let’s have some fun. After all, “fun” is why we do this silly stuff.

Good luck w COTA — I plan to be there w a couple of other laydowns Woodbridge.

[Debbie Kuntze]

I like hearing about laydowns coming! :-)

[Gino Giannopoulos]

Debbie,
Maybe 3 laydown from Phoenix area. Watch for Benn’s special KD designed Kart!
Gino

[Johnny West]

Scotty Joey and I. I think I would be able to get a few other in my truck as well.

West Racing
Johnny West

[Chris Hegar]

It’s too bright in here can someone pull down the shade…

[Benn Herr]

It’s not the brightness, it’s the lack of contrast!

[B D]

So, a kart race at COTA is, in fact, happening. That’s great news! I still don’t have a kart but expect one Stock Honda entry from the DFW area! :D

Also, there are tons of Stock Honda racers, sprint racers by profession, who might be willing to do a road race just this once. Next time I’m at a TX Prokart Challenge race, I’ll spread the word.

EDIT #1:

Also, a few questions…

A: Who (or whom) is/are officially organizing this event?
B: Is it going to be affiliated with IKF?
C: Is it another USKGP?
D: What track layout is going to be used? The 2.2 mile short course is the only variation I can think of other than the original 3.4 mile course.
E: Is the date set? Because I’d say that July 12-13th could easily be one of the hottest times of the year in one of the hottest places in North America. It isn’t as consistently hot in June or late September.

Here’s a quote from Wikipedia regarding the Austin heat…

Austin has a humid subtropical climate (Köppen: Cfa), characterized by hot summers and mild winters. Austin is usually at least partially sunny, receiving nearly 2650 hours, or 60.3% of the possible total, of bright sunshine per year.

Austin summers are usually hot, with average July and August highs in the high-90s °F (34–36 °C). Highs reach 90 °F (32.2 °C) on 116 days per year, and 100 °F (37.8 °C) on 18.[62] The highest recorded temperature was 112 °F (44 °C) occurring on September 5, 2000 and August 28, 2011.

…and a link to Austin climate data, also courtesy of Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin,_Texas#Climate

[Clark Gaynor Sr.]

Bernie Adamson is the guy.  I assume it will be another USKGP—eg:  accept all!!  (a good thing).  Ya’, it’s gona’ be HOT!!  But it’s COTA!  We can do this, bring extra beer!  We’ll be OK!

Clark Sr.

[Debbie Kuntze]

http://eknclassic.com/viewtopic.php?t=124258

Beck

Not sure if I’m doing this right, but over on eknclassic is the original thread with info that we have for now.

[B D]

Thank you, Debbie. That was very helpful. I couldn’t figure out how to get onto the old forum.

Here’s a few suggestions and thoughts of mine:

I think it should be top priority to run the full track. Even if you’ve got to pay some extra corner workers, that’s nothing compared to the cost of everything else in the event. Also, if we get an entry list of around 400 (which I personally do not doubt), is there a possibility of extending the weekend into Friday? Some people are coming from very, very far away; it may discourage the international competitors if the event is only two days. I don’t mean to sound greedy, but would Bernie (or Chris) be willing to take that step to rent the track for another day? I’d understand why they wouldn’t want to, and it wouldn’t bother me, but it may bother others. Furthermore, Stock Honda should be separated into two classes: light and heavy. On a technically challenging, ultra-high speed track like Circuit of the Americas, weight is paramount.

OK, I’ve spouted my overcritical nonsense. ;)

I’m 100% sure I’ll make it, but I’m not sure if I’ll be racing! I may just watch longingly as a spectator if the finances don’t come through. Stock Honda is my ultimate goal, but Stock Leopard may be the more reasonable choice financially. I’ll be 15 this August, so it’s my dad who is, <ahem>, responsible for making it all happen. Luv ya, Dad! :lol:

Speaking of which, will Stock Honda, TaG Senior, or Stock Leopard be open to 15 year olds? Or will 16 be the limit? If so, I may have to settle for TaG Junior.

[Debbie Kuntze]

And now Beck, you need to be patient for answers to your questions until Bernie has finalized some things. Right now is getting the word out time and for all to start making plans.

[B D]

Of course, you’re right, Debbie. It’s not time to make those plans to improve the event already. I’m just a little overexcited! :lol: I’ve been out of karting for about four years and want to get back into it again. Which brings me to this question: I know Mike Wayne (of Australia) has hooked up with Tim Kyser to rent a used kart… is anyone willing to do the same for me? I’m looking for a Stock Honda, preferably Sodi, Birel, CRG, or TonyKart, with minimal wear and minimal damage. How much do people generally charge for that?

Here’s the Stock Honda grid so far, just off of interest I’ve pulled of the EKN classic forum:

1. Jimmy McNeil
2. Randy Pierson
3. Clark Gaynor Jr
4. Joseph Hollinger
5. Jeff DeMello
6. Juan Jaramillo
7. Kerry Matthews
8. Todd Kageals
9. Bill Pyles
10. Mark Nagy
11. Rodney Davies
12. Jason Campbell
13. Shawn Warner
14. Rich Stokes
15. Chris Hegar
16. Hegar #2
17. Hegar #3
18. Hegar #4
19. Maybe Hegar #5?? :lol
20. Rob Miller
21. Bill Cox
22. Tyrone Johnson
23. Stephen Lamana
24. Nicholas McClure
25. Sam Zavaglia?
26. Mike Wayne?
27. Ray Chiappe
28. Beck Duggleby

I don’t know whether Jason Santander runs Stock Honda or not…

[Bob Baldwin]

Beck / Debbie K. :

Beck does bring up a point about International Participation . from past contacts already I have received inquiries about this event . I had heard from Brazil , south africa , Asia ‘ Maylasia and even  Russia . I sent a response back that Bernie was meeting with the COTA people in August and would be making a Major Announcement after that . This truly could turn into quite the International Event of the year . Now since the GREEN ONE does NOT want me at his events “SEVERE CASE OF POLITICAL DIFFERENCES ” I have the contact information if anyone wants to send it out to them . Let me know either PM or e-mail me  . I wish everyone the BEST and hope the event comes off as a Real Success . USA Kart Road Racing NEEDS an event of this magnitude as a shot in the arm . AND YES DEBBIE LAYDOWNS RULE !

[Bernard Adamson]

I just shake my head ….

Clark, ..looking forward to beating you at the weekend :-)

Ray, Johnny, Don….Im chill….

Beck, try and be patient.

And just as a fyi Beck that’s nowhere near the size of what the Stock Honda grid will be, you are missing about another 50 or so people.

Bob, I thank you for your past help but under NO circumstances are you to make any calls, send any literature or pertain to represent USKGP in any way shape or form…Zero, Zipo, Nada, Squilch, Diddly, Comprendo ?

My email is tprbsqn@gmail.com or pass along to Debbie.

Thank you all.

 

 

[Bruce Peck]

(For the Laydown folks . . . )  I posted this on the old forum in this thread and really didn’t get too much response but thought I’d post it again just in case.  I gotta tell you, I’d really like to go run this track, but I don’t want it to be like the 2009 Miller race again.  If there is not a laydown class that looks like it will be a fairly large grid, I won’t bother and I’ve talked to others who feel the same.  It’s going to take us, the racers, to get together and make it happen and to do that, many of us will have to step away from our “it must be MY class” mentality.  I’m one of them.   If it’s not the class I suggest below, name another one.  I really don’t care.

Here is what I posted . . .

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I have a suggestion for the laydown guys and gals. (I’ll get to the suggestion in a minute . . . )

I went to the first Miller/Utah race in 2009. Planned for it a year in advance. I brought two of only about a dozen or so laydowns. Lots of karts there but very few laydowns. Even so it was an awesome trip (from Indy) and event, wonderful track and facility, got to meet lots of great people, and I have a lot of great memories from it. I turned it into somewhat of a vacation . . . . Leading up to this Miller event I talked to many laydown people that said they weren’t going because they didn’t believe there would be many laydowns there. Of course, you get much of that and it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. COTA will likely be the same unless the dwindling number of laydown drivers out there get together and figure out a way to get enough people there to make it worthwhile.

How about this? How about we get together here or elsewhere and decide on a class to target for this event as the “big one”? I suggest we target a class that I think many if not most laydown folks could do even if it is not currently their primary class – Yamaha Pipe.  I’m not talking about the F-125 or 80cc shifter guys – once those karts are set up they’re pretty much fixed. I’m talking about the guy that is running Yamaha Sportsman or some other piston port or 100cc Controlled with a Reed Jet or whatever. Most of those folks that are not running a KT right now probably have one on the shelf or can borrow one. If we could get twenty people to commit to that then you’ve got a pretty good grid (really good these days!) that then would get others interested and maybe we can get the grid up to thirty . . . or more. If you want to switch to a Sportsman pipe for another race later in the day like Chris said, great, do it.

This will take some people stepping up to put their normal preferences aside. I’m one of them. I’ve got Yamahas, but don’t normally run them these days. But I will for this event and can probably bring one more driver/kart to do the same. There you go. There’s my two. Chris Larson has already said he is in. Who else?

[Debbie Kuntze]

Bruce

Well if you and the others you talked to-come-the field just grows ;-)

 

[Bruce Peck]

<<Debbie Kuntze Participant:  Bruce – Well if you and the others you talked to-come-the field just grows >>

I hear ya.  Would just like to see it grow a bit more (meaning confirmed, people coming out and saying “yes, I’m in”) before really committing to that drive.  Of course it would be worth it anyway to have you flagging the races and hearing Bernie tell us to “piss off” at the drivers meeting . . . ;-)

[George Sunderland]

This is already causing a huge stir and certianly has potenital to be biggest US karting event since the 1983 King of Karting Expo in Charlotte during which Pruett won everything from enduro to sprint to dirt.  With such an advance notice, we should all work to eliminate any and all potenital excuses for no-shows.  This includes pooling to arrange truck transportation from the East and West  Coasts.   Nowadays, with the economy and demands on our time, most eveyrone is in a position where they have to pick and choose a select few events.  This would have to rank up top for most.  Of course with the cost and logitics involved,  folks like myself will have to start saving and plan now.

 

Bruce:  This course looks like it was made for laydowns which we all know are the coolest among karts.  I would bring my B-stock/C-open as well as our 250 and RWYB laydown  Gibson karts.  I have several single enduros I could also bring but only engines I have a vintage TT25s.   I would enterntain someone lending me a Yammi engine package in exchange for a ride in a 250 single.  The vmore entires the more fun this will be for all.

[Debbie Kuntze]

Bruce

We have always had a differnt mind set in the West, espeically since mid 90’s when things started swinging more to sit ups due to all the sprint tracks within a 1/2 hour of everyone’s home that popped up everywhere. Laydown die hards -just showed up and raced, sometimes even by themselves against themselves. Heaven knows I did that a few times. My last race I was only piston port laydown, but I went out to race against my previous time-beat it and ended up 2nd overall (behind hubby John running a controller) and I STILL grin about it!

I don’t get to race a COTA as someone has to keep all the dedicated racers safe :-) but you can bet your guns I will beg, borrow or steal a kart (preferably a laydown) and do at least one lap! Then I get to say I have been on this track. If you stay home-you will not get to say that ;-)

[Cliff Brannon]

as I said in the old site, i race controlled but will bring whatever it takes to make this a success for the laydowns.  I’m sure I can get a Yamaha in time.

B-Stock
Formula100

[Philip Davis]

Sign me up for Stock Honda! I think I can get 3-5 more to attend for Stock Honda, that are not on the list. It will be the highlight of the 2014 season.

When and where will the details be posted, Facebook and or web site, EKN? Who is the main contact for the event?

[Sam Zavaglia]

The Stock Honda numbers at this event is going to be totally bad ass! I’d say numbers in all other classes are going to be memorable as well.

I hope this event gets the green light, certainly something that USA karting needs to get the passion flowing again.

It’s up to you guys submitting your deposit checks when the green one ready for it.

[Jason Lorang]

You guys can sign me up for any Enduro class you have!! I can run Yamaha Pipe or a Reed Class… I can bring at least 1 other Enduro and Driver.

I will also run the Stock Honda class… Will gladly make the trip from Michigan and endure the Heat. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity as far as I am concerned!!

[B D]

1. Jimmy McNeil
2. Randy Pierson
3. Clark Gaynor Jr
4. Joseph Hollinger
5. Jeff DeMello
6. Juan Jaramillo
7. Kerry Matthews
8. Todd Kageals
9. Bill Pyles
10. Mark Nagy
11. Rodney Davies
12. Jason Campbell
13. Shawn Warner
14. Rich Stokes
15. Chris Hegar
16. Ryan Hegar
17. Rob Hegar
18. Rob Miller
19. Bill Cox
20. Tyrone Johnson
21. Stephen Lamana
22. Nicholas McClure
23. Sam Zavaglia?
24. Mike Wayne?
25. Ray Chiappe
26. Beck Duggleby
27. Philip Davis
28. Jason Lorang
29. Gino Giannopoulos
30. John Paternostro

That’s the updated Stock Honda list. And Sam, do you happen to be Sam Bocchino? ;)

We’re at 30 entries for Stock Honda alone (that ties the USKGP entry numbers at Miller) and we’re still an entire year away. I wouldn’t be surprised if we made it 70-80 by the time it is said and done… it’s like Road America shifter kart racing all over again, except right in my backyard! ;)

I also expect we’ll see some guys from the sprint racing community come over to join as well… maybe some of the guys competing in Vegas? Also, I’m sure we’ll get more from the NCK. Is that you, Erik Maxfield and Ryen Miller? ;)

It should be epic. :)

[Kerry Matthews]

NCK has a race @ Thunderhill Raceway Park on Friday.  I’m sure this will be brought up at the driver’s meeting to make sure all are aware of this event.

[Chris Hegar]

Stock Honda rules will need to be revisited in all rr with the current wave of 2001 motors in SKUSA. Perhaps an offspring class for the 01 combination should be brought in. In IKF I had presented the idea of eliminating one of our nearly dead open 125 classes in favor of an 01 SKUSA rule only class to draw new sprint runners. Requiring the 99 does hurt entries at some point.

Stock moto runner thoughts, comments, opinions, ideas?

[Randy Rothweiler]

Add Terre Rothweiler to the stock honda list. No way we would miss this.

[Ty Johnson]

B D wrote:

1. Jimmy McNeil
2. Randy Pierson
3. Clark Gaynor Jr
4. Joseph Hollinger
5. Jeff DeMello
6. Juan Jaramillo
7. Kerry Matthews
8. Todd Kageals
9. Bill Pyles
10. Mark Nagy
11. Rodney Davies
12. Jason Campbell
13. Shawn Warner
14. Rich Stokes
15. Chris Hegar
16. Ryan Hegar
17. Rob Hegar
18. Rob Miller
19. Bill Cox
20. Tyrone Johnson
21. Stephen Lamana
22. Nicholas McClure
23. Sam Zavaglia?
24. Mike Wayne?
25. Ray Chiappe
26. Beck Duggleby
27. Philip Davis
28. Jason Lorang
29. Gino Giannopoulos
30. John Paternostro

That’s the updated Stock Honda list. And Sam, do you happen to be Sam Bocchino? We’re at 30 entries for Stock Honda alone (that ties the USKGP entry numbers at Miller) and we’re still an entire year away. I wouldn’t be surprised if we made it 70-80 by the time it is said and done… it’s like Road America shifter kart racing all over again, except right in my backyard! I also expect we’ll see some guys from the sprint racing community come over to join as well… maybe some of the guys competing in Vegas? Also, I’m sure we’ll get more from the NCK. Is that you, Erik Maxfield and Ryen Miller? It should be epic.

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Jordan Johnson and Dillon Johnson will be there with stock moto also.

[Chris Hegar]

The question would now be… is the promoter comfortable with the amount of responses to go ahead and present the track with payment?

[Linda Baldus]

I hate to be a spoil-sport but I feel it’s time we leveled w/ the promoters of this event.

@ this point don’t plan on the Baldus bunch.  Mike has stated he just does not feel something like this is good for the over-all sport of enduro karting.  It will only take away from Series’ racing.  It will suck the $$ from several regional races for one event just as Stars & Constructors’ Series did to local sprint racing.

And perhaps it will even tell the tracks that they can get by w/ charging more.

Just his opinion.

Keep on kartin'. llb
Raymore, MO
lindabaldus@hotmail.com

[Jimmy McNeil]

I have 11 on my yes list for this event.

Ive also talked to promoters of other series, they’re  excited about this event and plan on doing what they can to back it. I was a little worried bringing it up to certain people, thinking they might see it as a threat to their series. Their response has been just the opposite, their excited and even showed interest in driving.

I think 70 to 100 stock Hondas is possible.

Once in a life time opportunity to drive COTA. Hell Ya, lets rally the troops and get behind this event. My check books ready, just waiting for the green light.

 

 

[Ray Chiappe]

Linda, I respect your opinion, but next to a race at Indy, this is a once in a life time event. JMO and probably won’t come off again! With all the different orgs. in karting, this event will bring a lot of people together for the first time in a very long time.

[Debbie Kuntze]

Ray is correct-it is a once in a lifetime-one time race. It does not effect anyone running a series or club for points.

 

And what I used to see with the 250’s for their big Laguna races was that it it UPPED participation at big Willow events the year prior for karts and drivers to get tuning in. I can definitely see this happening for the COTA event upping particitpation at other events leading up to next July. Especially for those who have had laydowns up against a wall somewhere or for those who might have thought they were done and now have to get back in (no Ray-I’m still done, besides I’ll be working :-) ) and for the general sprinter who would like to get a little long track drafting practice in before the event. These people have to go somewhere!

[Cody Elliott]

What about the guys that have KZ engines? would we just be thrown in with the hondas?

[John Kuntze]

Linda

Why is getting people back to a roadrace track or try it out for the first time a bad thing if some of them decide to continue racing it will only be a benefit everybody involved. The only thing that would be bad thing is if a series decides to schedule a race on top of this one. That would have to make the racer choose on running a F1 track that you only get 1 shot at or the others that have been run on before. This is the type of thinking that has always hurt karting in the past but it wouldn’t surprise one bit that someone will try it again. Come on people let the race happen and without having to whine about it.

[B D]

Updated Stock Honda entry list as of July 27, 2013…

1. Jimmy McNeil
2. Randy Pierson
3. Clark Gaynor Jr
4. Joseph Hollinger
5. Jeff DeMello
6. Juan Jaramillo
7. Kerry Matthews
8. Todd Kageals
9. Bill Pyles
10. Mark Nagy
11. Rodney Davies
12. Jason Campbell
13. Shawn Warner
14. Rich Stokes
15. Chris Hegar
16. Ryan Hegar
17. Rob Hegar
18. Rob Miller
19. Bill Cox
20. Tyrone Johnson
21. Stephen Lamana
22. Nicholas McClure
23. Sam Zavaglia?
24. Mike Wayne?
25. Ray Chiappe
26. Beck Duggleby
27. Philip Davis
28. Jason Lorang
29. Gino Giannopoulos
30. John Paternostro
31. Jordan Johnson
32. Dillon Johnson
33. Terre Rothweiler

Jimmy – do you want to share who those eleven “yes” people are? ;)

[Jimmy McNeil]

Hope these guys don’t mind me posting their names online.

Robert Marks – stock Honda

Darrell Tunnell – stock Honda

Luke Bianco – stock Honda

Peter Mastro – stock Honda

Clinton Schoombi – stock Honda

Roy Montgomery – stock Honda

Vivek Tandon – stock Honda

Ethan Wilson – tag or shifter

Jimmy McNeil – stock Honda, open class, possibly SuperKart?

I have a couple others but not comfortable posting their names.

Im also talking to a couple pretty big teams. Its hard to work aggressively to push this event when its yet to be carved in stone. Hopefully that will change soon.

 

[Debbie Kuntze]

I’m pretending it’s carved in stone :-) already have the approved vacation time set up too!

Cody-I am confident you will have a place to run, just not sure where yet.

[Glen Cherry]

I will bet that if there is a  1-Yamaha HVY pipe class, 2- a Yamaha can classes, a piston port, and a open class for laydown kart that there will be no less than 20 karts in each class. Our group brings 9 -Yamaha Hvy  entries to most all of the races we attend. Now sometimes work or life makes some of us have to pass on a race but the numbers of Laydown Road Race karts in Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas will make up the 20 karts. If any of the people outside of these states show up the numbers should be great.

Debbie, I as well have put this down as a carved in stone race. I hope a ton of laydown karts show up and as a group start to work together to bring back big classes for laydown racing!

As a group we don’t points race so our group picks races or track that we want to race at then plan them out as a group and bring the most we can to a race.

See ya at the track!!

 

[Bruce Peck]

Glen:  Since posting this thread here (and in the old EKN forum) I’ve counted at least six that said they would come for the Yamaha Pipe class.
http://ekartingnews.com/forums/topic/circuit-of-the-americas-2014/#post-4682

If your group brought nine then we’re up to 15 which is a good start and should help get others interested in coming.

[Brad Johnson]

I’m in for Stock Honda. I’ve always wanted to drive a laydown if anyone has an extra they might have around…

[B D]

Glad to hear you’re coming, Brad! :) I think I’ve raced against you once in SWRA…

And as of July 29th, the Stock Honda entry list is…

1. Jimmy McNeil
2. Randy Pierson
3. Clark Gaynor Jr
4. Joseph Hollinger
5. Jeff DeMello
6. Juan Jaramillo
7. Kerry Matthews
8. Todd Kageals
9. Bill Pyles
10. Mark Nagy
11. Rodney Davies
12. Jason Campbell
13. Shawn Warner
14. Rich Stokes
15. Chris Hegar
16. Ryan Hegar
17. Rob Hegar
18. Rob Miller
19. Bill Cox
20. Tyrone Johnson
21. Stephen Lamana
22. Nicholas McClure
23. Sam Zavaglia?
24. Mike Wayne?
25. Ray Chiappe
26. Beck Duggleby
27. Philip Davis
28. Jason Lorang
29. Gino Giannopoulos
30. John Paternostro
31. Jordan Johnson
32. Dillon Johnson
33. Terre Rothweiler
34. Brad Johnson
35. Robert Marks
36. Darrell Tunnell
37. Clinton Schoombee
38. Peter Mastro
39. Luke Bianco
40. Roy Montgomery
41. Vivek Tandon

…in no particular order. That is an astonishing entry list already, and we’re still 11 months away!

It’s interesting (and refreshing) to see some of the sprint racers coming over to do some road racing. Darrell, Clinton, Peter, Luke, Roy, Vivek – welcome aboard! :D

 

ALSO: I have one question, or if Bernie/Chris are too busy, a suggestion. ;) The COTA track is very long and very wide. Despite that, if we are getting 50+ entries in just one class (and I’m sure we’ll reach at least 80 by the time July 2014 rolls around), qualifying will matter enormously. Imagine if you are starting from the very back of a 50 kart Stock Honda race and Chris Hegar is starting 1st. ;) If you have any chance of trying to catch one of the faster drivers, it ends there. My suggestion is this: for classes with, say 50+ entries, hold a 20 minute qualifying session to determine the starting order (sort of like sprint races).

[Jimmy McNeil]

Maybe require transponders in the final practice.

[Ray Chiappe]

How about a Stock Honda Masters class? It would help thin out the regular class?

[Benn Herr]

Starting at the back of a big class like that, especially a sit-up CIK bodywork class, the draft is incredible! Being in the back is not a big deal. If you are able to run with the front runners, you can get there in a couple of laps.

[Joe Johnson]

Count me in for two guys for stock Honda.  Hopefully there will be two weight classes a light 385 and a heavy at 405.  I’m curious about the 01 cylinder rule also.

[Chris Hegar]

50 car invert… ohhh yeaaaa
;-)

[Glen Cherry]

<p style=”line-height: 16.7pt;”><span style=”font-family: Georgia; color: #333333; font-size: 11.5pt;”>Bruce there were 20 Yamaha Hvy entries at Topeka for the KART nationals, I would expect more than that at this race. That being said the only thing that might throw a wheel on the deal is if a guy only wants to run one class and has to pay $600. Most in my group will run as many classes as they can be it TAG, Yamaha/piston port/open- situp/ laydown. As long as time to recover for all of us old farts were in.  </span></p>
<p style=”line-height: 16.7pt;”><span style=”font-family: Georgia; color: #333333; font-size: 11.5pt;”>As posted before by Chris Larson if you enter 2 or 3 classes at most major events you’re going to spend over $300+ to $400. The only thing I see is we have people that would love to run in our area that can only run one day or class. </span></p>
<p style=”line-height: 16.7pt;”><span style=”font-family: Georgia; color: #333333; font-size: 11.5pt;”>Maybe the Hegar’s will dust off those old Emmick Laydown karts sitting in the shop and take a enjoyable relaxing drive!! (HINT)</span></p>
 

[Debbie Kuntze]

Benn Herr wrote:

Starting at the back of a big class like that, especially a sit-up CIK bodywork class, the draft is incredible! Being in the back is not a big deal. If you are able to run with the front runners, you can get there in a couple of laps.

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Just remember though- I will be watching ;-) and I don’t put up with any sort of bump drafting, no nerfing, etc. so far, this is NOT the biggest field I have had to watch over (yet-but will be)-so you will not escape the watchful eyes of corner workers.

[Benn Herr]

Bruce there were 20 Yamaha Hvy entries at Topeka for the KART nationals, I would expect more than that at this race. That being said the only thing that might throw a wheel on the deal is if a guy only wants to run one class and has to pay $600. Most in my group will run as many classes as they can be it TAG, Yamaha/piston port/open- situp/ laydown. As long as time to recover for all of us old farts were in.

As posted before by Chris Larson if you enter 2 or 3 classes at most major events you’re going to spend over $300+ to $400. The only thing I see is we have people that would love to run in our area that can only run one day or class.

In past years there has been every attempt to make it so everybody has two places to run each day. It’s tough to justify sometimes with the limited laydown turnout classes. With the increased intrest in those classes this year it seems like they would really try to find a place for them to run. If you’re up to it and you’re supply of parts doesn’t run out, running four times on the weekend puts the cost at $150 a race. And that’s not bad for this kind of track.

Maybe we should start a laydown list like the Stock Honda guys are doing?

[Kelly Read]

John,

I don’t believe Linda is saying that  it is a bad thing. Getting people (veteran/new) to roadrace, benifits everyone in roadracing. People who race VERY LITTLE (1-2 races a year possibly) need to understand that those who have a series such as we do under KART/MARRS which has a 7-8 race series is that even though we all believe racing at COTA would be a once in a life time experience, if we as racers  where there are SEVERAL races at the present time  decide to not support those events and support this event, then there  is a GREAT chance of loosing some races(tracks) or even the series in there area they race in.  Then what do ROADRACERS do??

As I posted earlier, I will do what I can as for scheduling around this date (if it goes off) but, our series comes first.  This comes from someone who travels to other parts of the country to race but supports his own series FIRST.

I hope this race can happen as I want to see how many of those who say YES, will actually show as some who have posted here also said they were going to HPT in 2011 and didn’t show. 

 

[Chris Hegar]

The NW rr scene is drying up and floating away. We have a minimal of young drivers coming up and are forced to tax the old guard with higher and higher prices due to track rentals ect. Even got some cool new tracks online here after losing some old ones but numbers remain low and falling. If it takes a new track like this anywhere in the US to get the short track world interested it can’t do anything but help everyone’s program. They try us, they like us and then return to all of our regular local events looking for more of that taste. If this new track was in any existing clubs back yard each would push it as hard as possible to gain runners, this is no different. Find a buddy, tell em it’s an F1 facility and drag em out even if it’s just to watch. RR needs more bodies.

[Bob Baldwin]

Chris Hegar wrote:

The NW rr scene is drying up and floating away. We have a minimal of young drivers coming up and are forced to tax the old guard with higher and higher prices due to track rentals ect. Even got some cool new tracks online here after losing some old ones but numbers remain low and falling. If it takes a new track like this anywhere in the US to get the short track world interested it can’t do anything but help everyone’s program. They try us, they like us and then return to all of our regular local events looking for more of that taste. If this new track was in any existing clubs back yard each would push it as hard as possible to gain runners, this is no different. Find a buddy, tell em it’s an F1 facility and drag em out even if it’s just to watch. RR needs more bodies.

 

To comment on Chris Hegar’s Posting should the event be put in the ” IT IS A GO ” category , I am just wondering from the comments that I have read here that since Many will be attending from the NORTH , SOUTH EAST COAST , MIDWEST , WEST COAST , after the days events would it NOT be possible to have a so called Mini Summit meeting with all the Clubs ,Org’s Groups and businesses and interested parties that WANT to HELP RR Survive . I’m  sure Bernie will be Extremely busy for 48 hours some what of an impromptu meeting for those Clubs , Groups Org’s might be of Benefit to all interested parties .

The same people might want to consider leaving several copies of survey asking what the competitors would like to see at RR events . Pass them out at the event ,take some back to your buddies that could Not attend then send all returns to someone willing to analyze the results and eliminate the negatives and try building on the positives . The results may offer some people some new ideas . Where else are you going to get such a large convergence of RR karters ?

[Chris Hegar]

Sure you guys go for it I’ll be in the back with the chicks.

[Jimmy McNeil]

“50 car invert…”

How about transponders required in the final practice, line up the fastest guys in the back of the pack.

Wait that would never work, I could just see Chris and his brother going .1mph on the track fighting for slow lap ;)

[B D]

I think it would just be easier to have transponders for final practice, like you said, Jimmy. No invert or anything, because then everyone would be forced to sandbag.

Just call it “Qualifying” and have open practice before that and that would get people on their toes.

I’m tired of posting this entry list over and over again so I’m making an entry list post for all classes. It’ll only be a moment… :)

[B D]

Rest will be up shortly…

Yamaha Pipe

1. Bruce Peck
2. Chris Larson
3. Cliff Brannon
4. Dale Coffey
5. Dale Daugherty
6. Glen Cherry
7. Glen #2
8. Glen #3
9. Glen #4
10. Glen #5
11. Glen #6
12. Jason Lorang
13. Kevin Olds
14. Mike Sampson
15. Milo Schoonover
16. Scott Goodman
17. Steve Pasteiner

B&S Animal Sportsman

1. George Moreland
2. Joey Kuley

World Formula

1. Bret Moreland
2. Gino Giannopoulos
3. John Larson
4. Marc Pape
5. Michael Schorn
6. Quincy Smith
7. Shawn Warner
8. William Herr

Chondra

1. Nicholas McClure

Yamaha Sprint CIK

1. Glen Cherry
2. Quincy Smith

TAG Open Senior

1. Andy Noyes
2. Brent Lyman
3. Brian Fisher
4. Byron Rothenhoefer
5. Cody R. Elliott
6. Joey Kuley
7. Josh Lane
8. Lance Lane
9. Nicholas McClure
10. Quincy Smith
11. Sundar Clark
12. Tyler Guilbeault

TAG Open Master

1. Bret Moreland
2. Don Guilbeault

TAG Open Junior 

TAG Cadet 

Stock Leopard

1. Brent Lyman
2. Clark Gaynor
3. Jeff Wesell
4. Joey Kuley

Stock Honda

1. Beck Duggleby
2. Bill Cox
3. Bill Pyles
4. Brad Johnson
5. Bret Moreland
6. Brian Fisher
7. Byron Rothenhoefer
8. Chris Hegar
9. Clark Gaynor Jr
10. Clinton Schoombee
11. Darrell Hulford
12. Darrell Tunnell
13. Dillon Johnson
14. Gino Giannopoulos
15. Jason Campbell
16. Jason Lorang
17. Jeff DeMello
18. Jimmy McNeil
19. Joe Johnson
20. Joe Johnson #2
21. Joey Kuley
22. John Paternostro
23. Jordan Johnson
24. Joseph Hollinger
25. Josh Lane
26. Juan Jaramillo
27. Kerry Matthews (get well soon, Kerry!)
28. Lance Lane
29. Luke Bianco
30. Mark Nagy
31. Mike Wayne
32. Nicholas McClure
33. Peter Mastro
34. Philip Davis
35. Ray Chiappe
36. Rich Stokes
37. Rob Hegar
38. Rob Miller
39. Robert Marks
40. Rodney Davies
41. Roy Montgomery
42. Ryan Hegar
43. Sam Zavaglia
44. Shawn Warner
45. Stephen Lamana
46. Terre Rothweiler
47. Todd Kageals
48. Tyrone Johnson
49. Vivek Tandon

Stock Honda Junior 

CIK 125 Sprint (ICC + Moto’s)

1. Bret Moreland
2. Cody R. Elliott
3. James McMahon
4. Jason Santander
5. Joe DiVito
6. Joey Kuley
7. Randy Pierson
8. Russ Stokes
9. Stephen Lamana
10. Steven Rougeou
11. Tim Pierson

Rotax DD 2 

Formula 80 Sr.

1. Mike Kellum
2. Mike Kellum’s Dad

Formula 80 Jr 

Superkarts

1. Alan Speyrer
2. Anthony Williams
3. George Sunderland
4. Larry Stewart
5. Luis Gularte
6. Rex Sprull
7. Sam Zavaglia
8. Tyrone Johnson
9. William Herr

Formula 125

1. George Sunderland
2. Rex Sprull

B Stock

1. Milo Schoonover
2. Robby Harper
3. Scott Goodman

Run What Ya Brung

1. Alan Speyrer
2. Bret Moreland
3. Danny Chew
4. Dave Fultz
5. George Sunderland
6. Jason Campbell
7. Joe DiVito
8. Randy Quismorio
9. Rex Sprull
10. William Herr

TAG E

1. Gino Giannopoulos
2. Randy Quismorio
3. Tim Doll
4. Tim Kyser

80cc Laydown

1. Blair Nelson
2. Greg Lindahl

Also:

Steve Kilsdonk
Jeff Salak
Sam Jordan
Dan Davis
John + Debbie Kuntze

[Larry Stewart]

I was just at VIR and all the Superkart guys there were talking about going to COTA. You can add me to your list, I’m going.

[Bruce Peck]

I didn’t realize some folks were posting on the old forum .  .  .

Yamaha Pipe
1.Jason Lorang
2.Bruce Peck
3.Cliff Brannon
4.Kevin Olds  (runs out of my trailer – Bruce Peck)
5.Chris Larson
6.Steve Pasteiner (from old forum)
7.Mike Sampson (said he was coming but might be counted on for this class)
8.Dale Daugherty (was a “maybe” on the old forum)
9.Scott Goodman (a “maybe” for this class from the old forum)
10.Glen and the Texas Gang #1
11.Glen and the Texas Gang #2
12.Glen and the Texas Gang #3
13.Glen and the Texas Gang #4
14.Glen and the Texas Gang #5
15.Glen and the Texas Gang #6
. . . others I’ve probably missed.

[Ray Chiappe]

When NCK has the race at Laguna, they use practice as qualifying. Works out nicely.

[Benn Herr]

As long as we are adding to lists…

B&S Animal Sportsman

George Moreland

World Formula

William Herr

Marc Pape

Shawn Warner

Gino Giannopoulos

Run What Ya Brung

William Herr

Dave Fultz

Randy Quismorio

TAG-E

Gino Giannopoulos or

Randy Quismorio (It depends!)

[George Sunderland]

Uhhh, You forgot me as well as Rex Sprull as entrants for Run What Ya Brung, F125  AND FE.

We will be bringing our Nitrous breathing, fuel injected, blown RZ karts of course which we are hoping are Finally sorted out.

 

http://freewebs.com/centslessracing

 

 

[Chris Hegar]

Why does Jimmy get to be first on the list?

 

not fair.

[Benn Herr]

We paid him to do that.

[Randy Pierson]

I keep seeing my name on the stock moto list. There is zero chance of me or any on our team running stock moto. Don’t know where that came about. No interest in that class now or in the future.

But…I will be bringing about a dozen ICC karts to race in the CIK125 and the G125 classes with various drivers.

 

[Benn Herr]

I don’t believe Linda is saying that it is a bad thing. Getting people (veteran/new) to roadrace, benifits everyone in roadracing. People who race VERY LITTLE (1-2 races a year possibly) need to understand that those who have a series such as we do under KART/MARRS which has a 7-8 race series is that even though we all believe racing at COTA would be a once in a life time experience, if we as racers where there are SEVERAL races at the present time decide to not support those events and support this event, then there is a GREAT chance of loosing some races(tracks) or even the series in there area they race in. Then what do ROADRACERS do??
As I posted earlier, I will do what I can as for scheduling around this date (if it goes off) but, our series comes first. This comes from someone who travels to other parts of the country to race but supports his own series FIRST.
I hope this race can happen as I want to see how many of those who say YES, will actually show as some who have posted here also said they were going to HPT in 2011 and didn’t show.

The one thing that Road Racing needs is NEW bodies. While it is a fine thing to hold costs down and have a series that everybody is comfortable with – not too much travel, not too expensive – in the end it’s not sustainable. While your racers may love the racing they do and are ready to make another run at the championship next year, life has a way of changing that. Their kids grow up and have things to go to, they lose a job, get divorced, have surgeries, and sometimes racers just get older and pass away. Once you lose you base of customers it only gets worse.

That’s what happened to the SCK in California. Formed when Road Racing was going through some changes, and every time karting changed, they stayed on top of it and adapted. When the KT100 came out, when bodywork got popular, when sit-up classes got big. SCK was the place to be for all of these and they were constantly getting new members. Then things outside of karting changed. Tracks got expensive, and there were other kinds of racing that were more appealing. Just being the place you went to Road Race wasn’t enough. Participation dropped, not so low that they couldn’t put on races but they had to go into survival mode. Limited numbers of races, streamline the operation, lean on the volunteers, take less desirable track dates because it’s cheaper, one day races, etc….

It works for a while but have a couple bad events and you’re out of business.

The only way to stay out of this death spiral is to get new racers. And things like the USKGP are what does that. In karting the current biggest growing group is SKUSA. They put on events that people want to race in and there are championships to win but they also have the Supernats, a big event that gets a lot of notoriety, it creates a lot of “buzz”. SKUSA would be just another race promotion company without the Supernats. Every well run sport has a premier event to provide an attention focus. Road Racing used to have a couple, Daytona and Road America. But now, one is gone and the other is getting a little old. We need a high point, something special that will capture the imagination of the potential Road Racer. We need to work hard to schedule around this event. Is there a risk you might lose a race date you currently have? Yes. But you’ll lose that date anyway as soon as somebody comes along with more money. The only way to win that battle is to have more money and the only way to do that is with more racers. Make it so racers from your area can run it without a schedule conflict. We have a year to do it. It’ll be worth it.

[Chris Hegar]

+1 to that and I don’t even like you guys.

[Danny Chew]

Put me down as Run what ya brung in a brand new motor… surprise surprise..

Open up a group for 125-150 Open group? As well as Unlimited?

Hope to see many NCK guys there or committing.

[Debbie Kuntze]

Bravo Benn, Bravo

[B D]

Well the formatting screwed up, but I’m too tired to fix it now. Over 3 in the morning here… I hope my alphabetical arrangement made you happy, Hegar. ;)

[Chris Hegar]

Ya that’s good I’ll take the 7th spot, dumping Jimmy back to 16th makes me all warm inside. I do expect to lead at least one lap in here though so watch out I’ll be crossed up coming down your inside sooner or later.

[B D]

I should be back in Jimmyworld by turn 4. :lol:

 

 

Also, an afterthought – given that some of the SoCal prokart guys have shown their interest in this event, maybe that will open the doors for a bunch more sprint racers to come join the party on a road course. I never thought the two worlds mixed much, but obviously this event has the appeal like no other, so despite what everyone normally does, we may see some intermingling. I haven’t karted professionally in like three years, but I do keep up with the results, and someone needs to contact Billy Musgrave. It’d be interesting to see how he’d do road racing.

Also, if I head up to NTK (my local ProKart sprint track) or DKC (my other local ProKart sprint track), I’ll spread the news. I’m sure I can get at least 10 people who’d run Stock Honda, if not 15-20. Also, DD2 would benefit from some ProKart Challenge entries.

Finally, I heard Kerry Matthews was going to spread the word at Thunderhill. I know you are in some pain right now, Kerry, but was there feedback from any other drivers not mentioned? Jack Dorian, Ryen Miller, Erik Maxfield, Mike Lagrone, etc?

[Kerry Matthews]

Jack didn’t make it up, but most of the guys there were already abreast of the situation.  Darrell Hulford wants on the “I’m in!” list also.  He’s onboard in Stock Honda.
As for Jimmy McNeil, Darrell Tunnell and Robert Marks, those boys like to come play on the road tracks with us on occasion….  They’re not new to the road racing circuit.  They are known at NCK races.  They like to come around, kick our butts, make themselves feel good…  LOL

And the pain’s subsiding.  No broken or cracked bones found.  6-8 wks. of rehab, then it’s time to start training for racing in my new class, the Stock Hoveround Heavy Masters which is held at the senior center down the street from my house on Wednesdays.  I hear they race for bingo money!

[Jimmy McNeil]

Beck, they’ve been contacted.

[B D]

Thanks, Jimmy. :)

[Danny Chew]

Add NCK Luis Gularte to the Superkart category. Had a good talk with him at T-hill.

[B D]

Danny –

I’m not familiar with the individual Superkart categories so for now I’m putting them all together in one theoretical “class”. Glad to hear he’s coming – he’s been a regular for years. :)

[Danny Chew]

FE or Super ICE most likely

[B D]

Thanks for the notice. Just trying to help out where I can… :)

[Philip Davis]

Also coming with CPI Racing.

Sam Bocchino and John Sullivan for Stock Honda.

Philip Payne will be Running CIK 125 Sprint

[B D]

Cheers, Philip. The formatting keeps screwing up on this forum so I’ll do a Google Doc or something and post the link here. It’ll probably be up by the end of the day. :)

[Benn Herr]

Beck,
You could post the list on the old forum for now. I know that formatting thing is a bear!

[B D]

I’ve been doing some more thinking about this race and I may not be able to attend. This is solely because of the date. We’re slated from July 12th to July 13th. Not wanting to sound like someone who is necessarily fussed with this because I can’t make it on this date, I wanted to know if the date is truly set in stone? Lots of people plan to go on summer vacation aside from karting, and I don’t think some of you know how truly scorching it gets in July and August. Truly, an average day in June is about 100 degrees and no rest from the sun.

I hope you can consider making a date change, it would make it easier on most of us, I think, as far as weather and other things concerned. Early June, like the 7-8, would be optimal, IMO.

Also, I just finished the new, easy-format entry list on Google Docs.

Again, I want to reiterate that I don’t demand a date change just to follow my schedule. My only point is this: the weather will be more pleasant and less people are likely to travel on summer vacation in early June. I just think it would be better for the event, that’s all… :)

[Benn Herr]

Well sure it’ll be hot, but still cooler than Phoenix!

The dates may be just what is available, even a year out.

Nice list but a couple of corrections:

The Briggs Animal class is actually World Formula Sit-Up (CIK bodywork).

Some of those may be Briggs Sportsman (laydown), George Morland is one of them.

So if people can make those corrections and preferences known, we can get a good idea of what people want.

[Bob Baldwin]

YEAH : It will be hot but it is a DRY HEAT !!! You want NASTY HEAT COME to South Fla. Homestead Track June, July , August , When the humidity is 90% . There is ALWAYS a way to COOL OFF at a RR event !!!

[Mark J Schoonover]

Make a correction To Yamaha pipe. Milo Schoonover will not be running a Yami. We have 100cc Controlled motors. We won’t be getting different motors just for this race. Not sure we would make the trip just to run our B- Stock.

Mark

[Debbie Kuntze]

Reminder-Yes, the date is set in stone. The race will be set in stone when deposits are receieved per Bernie’s initial post in November.

The date is what was offered for the one and only time karts will be on the track.

I have family/frends that live all over Texas and have lived there myself. The one thing about Texas weather is you can’t predict what it will be, not this far in advance and barely a few days in advance! 8-)

 

[Keith Buffo]

Names for the list…

Keith Buffo

Michael Hines

Chris Hines

All three in TaG Master, TaG Sr, and probably RWYB

[B D]

Uploaded and updated.

With this date, 50/50 chance I’ll make the race.

[Mike Arnold]

Wasn’t there supposed to be a meeting in August to discuss this with COTA officials?  Does anyone know (Bernie) when this meeting is or if it has taken place?  Just curious if there are more details that can be shared yet.   Has there been enough interest and committments to go forward with this….I sure hope so.

Also, will there be a Yamaha Sportsman Sprint class?  What rules for the Jr. Stock Honda shifter class?

 

Thanks,

 

Mike

[B D]

Mike –

The Yamaha CIK is the Yamaha Sportsman Sprint class. For Stock Honda Junior, I’d expect it’ll be the same rules as SKUSA has… Stock Honda with SKUSA air restrictor, ages 12-15 only.

I don’t know about any meetings, though. :(

[Mike Arnold]

Beck, does that CIK Yamaha equal WKA class 362.4 with the SBX/26S pipe and header?

Could a 16 yr old race in the stock Honda class since the jr class stops at 15yrs old?  Just asking because WKA rules require you to be 18yrs old.   I know Bernie does not go exactly by WKA rules and has his own set of rules…..I just don’t exactly what they are this point.   In the past his rules were very reasonable and were “common sense”.  Just want to see where my son could race.

I sure hope this comes together and we can go to Austin…don’t care if it is July as we are clear of school then anyway!

 

Mike

[Chris Hegar]

In the past Bernard followed IKF standards which allowed 16 year old racers to run adult classes. I’d like to add in what I’ve seen through my personal experience related to time at the big tracks racing and watching. I also realize some runners at certain ages are more alert than others. Keeping in mind even a champion Jr sprint runner will come back eyes wide open after the first run at this speed without throwing in others around him or her. If your young runner has never ran 125 on the long track this may not be the event to test the waters. With this many people on the grid the dangers are extreme and can be amplified for a new person old or young. Your looking at 110+ mph in a large group, this is not the sprint track, again dangers are extreme. From 80 mph top end sprinting to sustained 110 for up to 30 seconds this is a big deal. Even Jr restricted 125 is going to be faster than most at that age need to be going IMO. Yes I know it’s not my place to judge your runner but please take serious consideration and or attempt to take your new person to a local long track event for testing before signing up. Some love it and some hate it, road race is definitely different.

OK that’s my mothering speech, carry on.

[Mike Arnold]

Chris,

He for sure will not be on the track in the shifter without some experience in it first.  I don’t want to put him in danger nor other drivers on the track.  He has raced since he was 8 and on long tracks since he was 10.  Just not in a shifter.  I can remember my first time out on the track when much faster karts went by.  It really caught me by surprise!!  You are so correct in the differences between sprint and long track and we (my son and I )have done both.  I just wanted to see where there were opportunities and prepare accordingly.   We do have almost a year to get ready.  Unfortantely the CES is the only RR series where he can race a shifter on the long tracks due to the WKA age restriction.  I have proposed to the WKA to have a Novice Shifter class where Jr’s 15~17 yrs old with prior RR experience and adults could run a restricted 125 shifter to gain experience but no luck in getting this approved.   I have the same concern with Adults jumping in a shifter with no race experience!  My son has raced the Yamaha at Daytona and most other WKA RR tracks in heavy traffic but he only topped out around 92mph and that difference between 92 and 110 amoung shifters is big + the unlimited laydowns/Superkarts that fly by at 130mph+ is even more concerning!  I appreciate you posting your concern about this.

Let’s all hope this goes through…Has anyone heard if or when there is a meeting this month to learn any new details?

 

Mike

[Debbie Kuntze]

Chris, thank you, thank you and thank you for that post (no wonder I love you- and it just isn’t your boyish charms and dashing looks!)

I hope all take  Chris’ words to heart,this is a once in a lifetime opportunity, and we need to take home great memories not bumps and bruises and torn up equipment. ;-)

[Benn Herr]

Okay.

August is almost over.

We’re ready to go on this thing.

How was the meeting?

We need this to happen!

[Colm O’Higgins]

We need a date stated again, firmly.

How about Series points for ALL the Sanctioning entities out there that you run.  

For the moment please, Sanctioning bodies should work around the proposed day in July.

This would give hope for a repeat event…but we need to have a first one!

But no double points…not fair given the cost and location.

Let us know.

[B D]

I agree. What’s up with that silence that I don’t hear. :(

[David Cole]

Bernie has been busy with work, and he ensured EKN that he will have an update soon.

David Cole - EKN Managing Editor

[Kelly Read]

RELAX RELAX!!!!!  Putting a race together of this type doesn’t happen overnite.

[Chris Hegar]

?

[Colm O’Higgins]

My cheque is written but no updates as to progress so far.  Like to hear numbers !

[James McMahon]

AFAIK the COTA board is waiting to hear back from one of their members.
Gotta remember the kind of organization you are dealing with here.

[Benn Herr]

Watching the ALMS at COTA.

Man, I can’t wait to race there!

[Jim White]

Ominous silence…….

[B D]

Kelly,

I haven’t heard anything as of late. It’s all sounding rather ominous and the original date might be slightly out of reach, to be frank.

I know I sound like a broken record but October might not be a bad month as it’s starting to cool down here in Texas. ;)

I think once (and a whole lot of “if”) Bernie secures the date with the COTA admin then we should see and influx of people and, subsequently, activity once again. Right now, I don’t think anyone else wants to commit unless there’s a firm date.

Would it help to make it part of an official series schedule – possibly for double points? For instance, the NCK, KART/MARRS, or the WKA? Once people find that out a lot would be wanting to go to COTA, even if it is a bit of a drive (or flight).

Could someone contact the COTA admin to check the progress of transactions?

[Roger Miller]

Similar to Kelly, I am actively working the NCK 2014 schedule, and need to know if I have to schedule around something, or take the limited dates I am offered.

As for club points, that is a real tough one.  Class alignment, and the issue that making races a distance away is a time and money commitment that not all can do.

 

[Tony]

I must admit I too am getting frustrated with this topic due to the lack of communication from Bernie. I know he is working abroad but that does not stop him for posting on ekarting! I really can’t see any meeting taking place with COTA in the near future as I am sure they are getting ready to host F1 in November – so don’t hold your breath folks.

As Rodger Miller mentioned, along with other kart organizations they are all trying to book tracks for next years season. I think everyone has been patient but time is running out – Bernie you need to communicate and let people know what is happening!

[Ray Chiappe]

Really glad to see this topic going again! Even if Bernie hasn’t chimed in. October would be nice!

 

[Kelly Read]

Have I missed something here with a OCTOBER date??

As for making it a KART/MARRS points race, can’t happen. With the classes people have proposed to date, I see no way the promoter for this event (if happens) can run our format to where our classes and the way we schedule our races can happen.  Plus, pretty sure our racers will not pay $600.00 where the highest they pay is $100.00 per class (nationals). YES, I know it is COTA but!!

[Chris Hegar]

We out.

[David Cole]

Yes, we have tried numerous times to connect with Mr. Adamson, but no return.

Regarding this event counting as a point race, it can’t and shouldn’t happen, IMO.

This is a one-off event, like the Rock Island Grand Prix or Lone Star Grand Prix, or the PRD Pan Am that took place during the IndyCar weekend in Fontana this weekend.

If point championships were so important, we’d have more the 1% in WKA land racing every event.

IMO, this event needs to be like the SCCA Runoffs, where we welcome everyone from around the country, working with a limited but open class structure, to provide one of the best road races in the country for the first time since the hey-days of Road America.

If not in 2014, I think something can be done for the future.

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[Keith Bridgeman]

This should be treated like the Supernats of Roadracing.   No points.   Just a big one off event.

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[Jeff Salak]

I agree Keith!

IMO, this race would have the best turn out. If it was run between Nov-March. It wouldnt screw with 80% of the countries road race schedules.

[Kelly Read]

Do I hear someone volunteering to promote this event,  Keith & Jeff???  I would be more then willing to HELP!!!

[Dean Martin]

So just be clear  – Nobody can reach Bernie for an update?  There is no indication that the implied event is going ahead?  Does this mean that those of us with club organizational responsibilities shoudl just go ahead and not be concerned with errosion by poorly set dates?

[Jeff Wesell]

I’d think yes.   Albeit via Facebook, email, phone…. if Bernie isn’t able to be in communication with at least one person to give some kind of status, why would any club or entity “wait” around?

It’ll be two months as of tomorrow since we were last told that there was a pending update coming “soon.”

Maybe the Investigation Team at eKarting News will turn up some DNA.

Dates. News. Answers.

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[Dean Martin]

I just tried to message Bernie through Facebook and he must have hit the unfriend button recently :-(   I miss you Bernie

[George Sunderland]

His last fbook post is something about Harris Teeter trying to poison him with bad chicken.  Maybe somebody off’d him?  I know he had a citizenship hearing delayed due to govt. shutdown.  Somebody could pull him for an inpromptu interview going into the courthouse……

[Kelly Read]

Dean,

As I posted at the beginning of this discussion, I had talked to Bernie at the beginning a couple of times by phone and e-mails on this event since I am close to where this event was going to happen to discuss us being able to help support the event. Our last conversation was that he was to have a meeting with the COTA officials in August and get back with me but I never heard back.  He knows that we at KART/MARRS would be putting together our 2014 schedule in October and we needed to know before then if this date was happening so we would try and work around it if possible. Since then, I have e-mailed, called and even sent a message on facebook to him and have heard nothing back to this day.

So as far as KART/MARRS, we have put together our 2014 tenitive schedule (waiting on a confirmation date from 1 track). As anyone who does scheduling for any type event knows, you can’t wait until January to request particular dates. To answer your question, I would if you go ahead and get your schedule together.

I would LOVE to see one big event where ALL ROAD RACERS from across the USA and those outside the USA to go and have a super event. Place, time & money are big factors to consider rather you are the promoter or just a racer coming to support it. This is tough!!!!

 

 

[Austin Garrett]

It’s already been made clear this will be the one and only time karts are allowed to race on cota so why not make it a huge one off event?

 

I live a hour hour away from cota and october would be much more preferred to race then mid summer. would love to hear something on this race and think it would be a success if anyone Could bring it to fruition. If there is anything I can do to help living close to the track, just let me know.

 

Until then I’m patiently waiting..

[B D]

I don’t know what the heck happened to Bernie but it seems like we’re on our own now. But let’s not scrap the idea just yet (although the actual date is looking pretty flimsy at the moment). Does anyone with a bit of $ want to contribute to making this happen for all of us? ;)

[Austin Garrett]

Honestly, it shouldn’t be too hard to do. We need to get realistic numbers from COTA. Possibly work around their schedule to get a better rate. If we have a comprehensive list of karts and monies for a deposit (give discount to racers sending early deposit) I don’t see why they wouldn’t give it a shot. I’d love to see this race happen As would many others.

[Lyle Clark]

After having driven a kart on the track yesterday at COTA, I think that it would be a blast.

Ay Stin, I really don’t think you realize how hard it is to put on an event like this. This is a huge and expensive deal, and I can pretty much tell you that tracks like this don’t offer better rates for karts when they can have real race teams come in and pay full price at the drop of a hat.

 

Lyle

[John Kuntze]

<div class=”d4p-bbp-quote-title”>ay stin wrote:</div>
Honestly, it shouldn’t be too hard to do. We need to get realistic numbers from COTA. Possibly work around their schedule to get a better rate. If we have a comprehensive list of karts and monies for a deposit (give discount to racers sending early deposit) I don’t see why they wouldn’t give it a shot. I’d love to see this race happen As would many others.

Some of us who put on events know taking the money is the easy part it’s all the other work which is a lot that is very time consuming. Tracks like COTA look beyond track rental it’s how much fuel can be sold how much can the snack bar take in how many garages will be rented.  There are no better rates you get told the price and that’s it.

[Robert Lawson]

I have not read every page or post here but it seems this subject was started as a poll. Looking back at the first post it’s clear this was an idea, to find if it has a pulse or not.

Has 216 people with $600 been found? Did you send the required $300 deposit due by 11-30-13?

Lets be honest, finding $130,000 (65K per day) to rent a facility in the current condition of Road Race Karting is absurd. It’s just not out there.

Just the thought of getting out there to some may have blurred their vision. The excitement took over and ran with an “idea”.

I never saw this as a viable event that would actually happen. Great idea, very ambitious. But, it’s a killer….let excitement and ambition overwhelm your judgment and you’ll never hold another event……anywhere! All or nothing, make or break…..think about it…..130K (plus, plus, plus…..)

I hope for all of you really wanting this to materialize that you get your wish.

If it were my a$$ on the line…..It would take a lot of Milk to soften THAT cookie!

Good Luck,

RPM

PS: Roger, my standing offer from Laguna years ago still stands. PM a contact number, I have questions.

[Mike Arnold]

I think it is very possible with the right promotion and lead time that this event could have.  I could only think of racing at Indy would have the same type of excitement or SKUSA at Vegas.   The event just needs a promoter, whether that is Bernie or if someone else would step or if WKA/IKF would jointly promote it then it could happen.  But if we wait until Feb or later then most people will have committed to other schedules and it won’t have a chance.   The timing has to be right (long lead time….1st race to be planned in a season).  Time is running out!!!

 

Mike

[Todd Kageals]

Well…..since Mike mentioned it.  If COTA is out, what about the F1 road course at Indy??

[Greg Wright]

Todd Kageals wrote:

Well…..since Mike mentioned it. If COTA is out, what about the F1 road course at Indy??

 

I wouldn’t hold my breath on that one, Indy has been approached several times over the last few years and it was NO!  According to some conversations they might listen to the idea of a temporary course for sprinters but no on the full road course. What a shame.

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[Debbie Kuntze]

OK group-we are not dead in the water yet for COTA. Action is being taken one step at a time (and at their time frame). We hope to have more information after this week’s Grand Prix as we were put on hold until it is completed, which is understandable that the focus was on the GP. Lack of info has been do to us having lack of info.

 

Keep your fingers crossed that info will speed up shortly ;)

[Benn Herr]

From what I’ve heard, the folks at Indy are very touchy about who they let drive over the “Yard Of Bricks”. I guess they have to maintain some of the magic about the place.

[Mike Arnold]

Debbie,

 

I sure hope we can race the karts at COTA…..your post has given me hope!

 

Benn,

I am not sure about the magic…..They have let every asphalt series race there practically except karts.   They lost their tradition when they let NASCAR race there but I understand why.   I had thought the karts would be able to do the type of race at the beginning of May that they are going to have now with the 2nd Indycar race there on the road course but everyone said the logistics were impossible.   I guess not if they are doing it this year.   You would think with Ed Carpenter as big a karter as he is that karts would not be an issue.   Must be something else?

Back to COTA and wait for an annoucement!

 

[Greg Wright]

Mike Arnold wrote:

You would think with Ed Carpenter as big a karter as he is that karts would not be an issue. Must be something else?

 

Just as an aside, Ed Carpenter only runs karts once a year. He came up through the Quarter Midget ranks as a youngster.

Back to COTA discussion.

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[James McMahon]

Unsubstantiated rumor….. COTA requested to wait until after USGP to talk to Bernie about USKGP. Well, here we are….watch this space.

[Keith Bridgeman]

So whats the goal of this race if it where to happen? 

Is it just to race there or to make it a National Super race like it should be?  How is it being presented to COTA and are all the main roadrace orgs represented?

Also after watching the F1 race it would be very cool to race on this track.  But honestly drafting 15 times per lap doesn’t really do much for me.    These really large tracks like RA are a whole different type of roadracing then the normal +- 1.5 mile tracks.

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[Debbie Kuntze]

Goal-to bring karters a once I a life time chance to race at COTA, put on by the USKGP.

Other organizations are not “represented” except for what you bring to the table, but Bernie does a wonderful job of blending all the groups rules and finding a middle ground so that all can compete in at least 2 classes if not more.

You can go to the classic forum and check out past USKGP races that were at Miller Motorsports and VIR. ;-)  And drafting on a big track takes some fine finesse as I have seen up close many an epic battle.

 

[johnny brooks]

Keith wrote: “These really large tracks like RA are a whole different type of roadracing then the normal +- 1.5 mile tracks.”

Where are you road racing that only has tracks around 1.5 miles?

Here’s the list from WKA, CES, and KART covering the mid-Atlantic to the Midwest:

Daytona 3.5 mi.
Carolina Motorsports Park 2.3 mi.
Grattan Raceway 2 mi.
Mid-Ohio 2.25 mi.
VIR 2.25 mi. (North) (Full=3.27 mi.)
NCCAR, Roanoke Rapids, N.C. 2 mi.
Summit Point 2 mi.
Blackhawk Farms Raceway 1.9 mi.
Gingerman Raceway 2.2 mi.
Hallett 1.8 mi.
Lake Afton 1.9 mi.
Lake Garnett 2.7 mi.
Hastings 2.3 mi.
Heartland Park 1.8 – 2.5 mi.

Even the shortest at 1.8 is closer to 2 than 1.5.

?????

COTA 2014 :)

[Keith Bridgeman]

Ok then 1.8 to 2 miles.    3.5 is much different racing

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[johnny brooks]

Sorry, I don’t get it.

Sprint racing is usually on tracks from just under 1/2 mile to just over 1 mile.

Road racing is usually 1.5 mile to 4 miles (RA days). Karts have been running long courses for a very long time. The original VIR kart races were 3.27 miles until it closed in 1974. Upon its revival karts have run the 2.25 mile North course, the 3.27 mile original Full course, and Bernie even ran an event on the 4.2 mile Grand course. We used to run the 3.5 mile long course at Watkins Glen. That’s what Kart Road Racing is all about…being able to run the same big courses as the cars and bikes (at a fraction of the cost!).

To be able to run a modern, state of the art F1 track will be a dream come true.

Fingers still crossed.

 

 

[James McMahon]

I think Keith’s point is about the long, long straights that shift the empahsis from cornering to drafting skill. Example, Road America.

A while back I started making a video for COTA. Need to dig up the source files, in the meantime all I have for now is a couple of short hand-shot vids:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5O3efMkqXjzd2ZGWl9BT25IS28/edit?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5O3efMkqXjzWDltSlhWbVJfN2M/edit?usp=sharing

If I get more time I’ll make a decent one, but I’d be lying if I didn’t say the total lack of information and communication on this is pi$$ing me off to the point of saying ***k it, I couldn’t be bothered.

[Ray Chiappe]

Bernie posts on Facebook!

[Mike Arnold]

Is there any update on discussions with COTA  or any update?

 

Mike

[Colm O’Higgins]

Austin, admirable suggestions.

I have attempted to piggy-back on motorcycle and vintage car events at Mosport (CTMP now).  But they do not have the track time available, now anyway.   Plus they do not appreciate big track racekarts as we do, either.

But keep knocking on those doors.

 

[Lyle Clark]

Austin, no matter where you run, you will probably run new tires, probably buy fuel, oil and pit passes. So I see those as a wash? Transponder, why not already have purchased one since they are used everywhere, and save the rental fees?

[Austin Garrett]

It’s the fact that’s its mandatory to buy a new set of tires. Luckily it’s the beginning of the season and I need tires anyways. I run on a shoe string budget. $400 isn’t chump change in today’s economy. I’ll agree on transponder, fuel, and oil. However if you wait until the day of race to register its $300.  That’s a bit much. All I’m saying is when prices are compared I’d much rather race at a f1 supertrack then a street race.  I don’t see the entry fee for COTA (if it ever happened) exceeding $400.

Just a hypothetical. What if the LSGP gets weather? Everyone has already purchased the mandatory tires but we would still be racing on pre purchased rain tires. It’s apples to oranges really and I’ll still be at the lsgp. But with as many people paying to race that I think it’s very do-able to race at COTA. That is the only point I was trying to make.

[James McMahon]

Not everyone buys new tires for their racing. Not everyone runs the same oil, or wants to run a spec fuel. Its not a wash for everyone.

Best I know is that this race’s fate is in the hands of the COTA board.

[Michael Rutter]

Will there be TaG’s at the COTA race?

[James McMahon]

I would say so. From memory I think there has been TaG as well as Stock Leopard. If there’s a demand, Bernie will find a way to get them racing.

[Brian Wilhelm]

Can someone remind me what the proposed date for COTA is?

[Ray Chiappe]

I would like to see a proposed date for a Post by a race official!

[Debbie Kuntze]

Original proposed dates were the 12th and 13th of July-no clue if that is changing at this point

[Mark Morrison]

Why is it everybody else is talking but the man that started this topic, It would be nice to have a post from him stating the status of the event. With him not posting a thing looks like a hit and run to me. My 2014 yr is planned with out COTA.

 

[Austin Garrett]

Cota is dead in the water for 2014 unless its a late season race. However, that doesn’t change the fact that there needs to be some kind of work being done NOW for 2015.

Realistically it probably won’t happen for another 5 years. After the novelty of this track wears out and interest dies down a bit. Cota is charging premium prices just to practice.

Although I would love to race here. Its just not going to happen, short of wka or a major sponsor driven organization getting behind it. Until someone legitimate steps up with some news I’m putting my aero body back in storage.

[Ray Chiappe]

Race Promoters, you are losing possible entries with no progress reports on this race. Good or bad you should post something??

[David Cole]

My guess is nothing will happen in 2014. I haven’t confirmed or denied, but with the current status unsure, I think we could maybe start planning for something in 2015.

My suggestion, support your local Road Racing club for 2014. That should be in your plans.

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[Jason Santander]

You guys can’t really expect any legitimate info on this thread, it is not the original thread started by the race promoter. The pursuit for a 2014 COTA event actually ENDED months ago.  The question is not about the interest for an event at this track but WHO will put it on. The next person I would suggest you folks talk to is Tom Kutcher. He is the next person who has experience/resource/ SKUSA to put on a huge event at COTA.

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[Kerry Matthews]

Jason Santander wrote:

You guys can’t really expect any legitimate info on this thread, it is not the original thread started by the race promoter. The pursuit for a 2014 COTA event actually ENDED months ago. The question is not about the interest for an event at this track but WHO will put it on. The next person I would suggest you folks talk to is Tom Kutcher. He is the next person who has experience/resource/ SKUSA to put on a huge event at COTA.

And have to run spec tires, etc.?  We’d probably all have to use spec sun tan lotion too.  No thanks…

[Brian Wilhelm]

The SKUSA model doesn’t really fit the road racing world. Besides, SKUSA would have zero motivation for such an event.

[Mike Arnold]

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mike

[Brian Wilhelm]

How do you know it was presented? Or wasn’t approved? Or???

[Mike Arnold]

Brian,

I don’t for sure know anything other than what was posted here:

<span style=”font-size: small;”>USKGP is talking with COTA about the possibiliities of a race date in 2014 at Circuit of Americas and it would be a 2 day race weekend. </span>

I just assume that COTA rejected or never got back to Bernie as Bernie never asked or posted anything more about getting our money for deposit.   It maybe that Bernie never saw that there was enough interest to pursue it further.   That is part of my reason to post was to find out where the proposal ended.  If COTA rejected then there is not much use in pursuing again.  But if not maybe Bernie or another promoter may want to try it.

 

Mike

 

[Ray Chiappe]

I will be going to Laguna Seca in July!!

[Mark Robinson]

<span style=”line-height: 1.5em;”>I’ve never been to a kart race and I was wondering.  </span><span style=”line-height: 1.5em;”>There are some serious concrete pyramids in the corners and deeply cut rumble strips all over the place at COTA.  Do these features exist in circuits where karts race all the time?  </span>

Thanks for your help.

[James McMahon]

Jeff the way I see it, if an event is losing 50 entries, cancel the damn race. I know we don’t all have a crystal ball but sometimes you can tell that an event is going to be a fail. Cut the cord.

IMO, having one annual, “national” road race event that is reasonably organization agnostic is a great thing to have for road racing.
To be fair, the tentative date for this COTA event was set WELL before any of the regional series’ had their dates locked-in. They had opportunity to work around it if needed.

In any case, as far as ’14 in concerned it’s all moot clearly this event isnt happening. I would guess it will be a while before the interest diminishes in this venue a little and COTA will then be less selective about their customers.

[Keith Bridgeman]

Start working on this event for 2015. Pick a date late in the year. Texas in July sounds nasty hot. Get a rep from all the main roadracing orgs and put together a plan. Make it a Supernats type event. Anything else sounds half assed.

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[James McMahon]

COTA need to come to the table as I understand. Until that happens, COTA is off the cards, but there are lots of other great track :)

[B D]

This is getting ridiculous. I was posting here back in August and, over half a year later, still nothing from the race organizers or the track?

The title of this thread should be changed to “Circuit of the Americas 2015” if anything. If we still want to stay in the southern U.S., I’d suggest NOLA.

[James McMahon]

For sure it’s been quiet on this, but my gut says this will be a runner. Dealing with an an event (and venue/management) like this is an ardous task.

Let’s keep talking about this! Continue to encourage those that are interested in filling out the form:  http://smarturl.it/USKGPatCOTA

I made a couple of changes to reflect the status of things with this, and “updated” the link to point to this newer thread. If there are concerns about duplicates then just add that to the text and I will check.
Status board is not available right now, but I can say that based on what we originally discussed it looks like its in good shape as far as interest is concerned.

[James McMahon]

Goddamit, original link was truncated by the forums. Replaced with a smarturl.

[Kelly Read]

I haven’t heard anything and we are working on the 2014 KART/MARRS schedule. I have no Bernie contact information as both my computer where I had his e-mail got hacked and I have no phone number for him.  If he has been trying to reach me, bet it was my old email address which is long gone.

Anyone heard anything??  Time has ran out for us to try and schedule around July 12/13, 2014.  As of now, we have a race scheduled for July 12/13.

Kelly

 

[Jeff Wesell]

The last somewhat “official” information on this was from David Cole’s post on August 26th when he was ensured on a pending update- soon.   In three days, it will be two additional months.  How soon is that?    j/k  lol

Although this initial thread and tentative race event sure took off like a wild  fire, we’ve come to the conclusion that we’re best off just not hold with bated breath anymore, close up the CoTA checkbook for the time being and start planning our 2014 itinerary with what we already know are either confirmed or traditional dates.  Will see what continues to roll out for RR events.    On a side note, seeing some recent online chatter and updates…. so it is good to see the clubs/sanctions posting updates (ala: promoters keeping us informed) and getting their schedules ironed out.  :)

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[George Sunderland]

The good news (if there is any) is that road race karting is not the only form of motorsport that is in a world of hurt and struggling for survival.  The money in professional IMSA, IRL and NAPCAR is drying up almost as fast as the fan base and tv ratings.  Hillenberg had a lot of team rental cancellations at Rockingham.  Other venues can’t be much different.  If not already here, the day they have to start dealing at least a little should be soon upon us.  Otherwise they sit completely empty and shutter even sooner.

[Roger Miller]

George, you might think that will happen, and it might in other parts of the country, but out here in Cali it is still real hard to get dates.  I am putting together 2014 schedule and so far only one of my tracks has even offered dates, and they are Fridays….  recall that we cannot possibly do a multi-day event at this time with low number of entries we are still experiencing.  And Fridays are charged at the same rate as Saturday and Sunday….

And this one track is basically the most expensive venue we operate at outside of Sonoma and Laguna.

The issue seems to be “non-racing” groups are coming out of the woodwork.  Expensive cars and motorcycles doing lapping days and weekends.

And the few times we have tried to partner, they try to saddle us with most of the rent cost for less than half of the available time.

Nothing easy about this yet.

 

 

[James McMahon]

Ambitious? Yes! Absurd? Apparently not….

[Sam Zavaglia]

I spoke to Bernie late last week and in my discussions actually asked him about this.

It’s not my business to comment but he said that a proposal has now been put forward and he is awaiting the response on whether they say YES or NO to it.

It sounds like it is very formal in the way things happen in their processes etc, they consider much more to this then to just simply hire the black stuff on this track.

So if the response from COTA is positive and your interested, my recommendation is to jump to it. Don’t complain about little things on offer cause it sounds way too hard and costly for any karting promoter to do this it all again.

[Austin Garrett]

Just an idea, but why not try to be a support race for moto gp or some other event already going on? It would bring a different audience to karts. It would have to be exclusive to only a couple classes. Could run stock shifters and mod shifters together but start them at different times . Run tag and jr and sr together starting at different times as well.  This would reduce cost, add publicity, hopefully gain some interest in a full blown kart gp in the future but most of all prove karts can put on a show at cota….

 

in relation to cost. This year to run lone star gran prix at Lockhart is going to cost me over $400 just to get on the track! $175 entry fee (going up monthly) $212 mandatory tire bill, $30 transponder rental, $15 pit pass, mandatory oil buying from track, not including fuel to get to track or food and drinks.

 

Not saying lsgp is a bad event (its a great event actually) but when monies are ran at the end of the day I’d much rather spend $400 to race cota then Lockhart tx….

 

with a proper plan there is no reason not to race the circuit.

[Jeff Salak]

IMO if this race was to ever happen. It needs to be in the months of Nov-March. It steps on to many other series that are going on in the month of July or summer months in general. Attendance still is low in most series. If they loose 25 guys/ 50 entries to a bigger race. That would sink a lot of road race series that are hanging on by a thread right now.
As much of a good thing it could be. Its effect on your local series could be in total jeopardy.
An example of this is CES Grattan was scheduled the same day as this race I believe. We loose 50 entries. We wont have road racing in the midwest!

[Mark Robinson]

I was lucky to have been able to drive COTA during practice sessions before my crank broke.  It is so smooth I kept thinking how great it would be in a kart.  I hope karts get to run there.  I think it would be a huge success.  We had 560 entrants and there was plenty of room for everyone and then some.  The COTA folks did a great job too.

At 10:15  I almost put it in the fence, and yes, I already know I am slow.

Thanks for your help.

[Jason Santander]

PLEASE JUST LET THIS THREAD DIE. STOP POSTING LET IT GET OLD AND DIE

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