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Toshiya Michimi
Joined: 02 Aug 2005 Posts: 131 Location: United States, Ohio,
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:57 am Post subject: Re: Curious |
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| Kevin Harter wrote: | Just curious, exactly what does the "Winner" of the Manufactures’ Cup receive? Is it just bragging rights or is there more to it?
Please, excuse my ignorance. |
More kart chassis sale following year. |
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Todd Bellew
Joined: 26 Jul 2001 Posts: 2902
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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Chris W.
Right on. It is the Man cup after all and a national.
Plus, I bet there were some drivers liking their new ride. _________________ Thank You,
Todd Bellew |
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jim rogero
Joined: 18 Jun 2005 Posts: 1030 Location: United States, Florida, naples
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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Let me start by saying that some, if not most of the racers and racers families that we competed against were some of the best people and are what , in my opinion, karting is in need of. There are also more right things being done than wrong in the man cup today.
Things that happened at the final man cup in new jersey are not healthy for the sport or what karting is supposed to be about.
Yes Ashley had a very successful and a memorable season, but some of the actions taken at this event would deture many karters interests at this last event.
The pressure by the manufacturers to their drivers to do what it takes, not concidering the actual fundimentals of this sport or what this sport is supposed to represent changed. The man cup has always been a successful series with a rounded balance of team, rich, poor, and real poor. Some of the things in my opinion that occured at this event take away from what has made this series successful. If this is to continue like other series the advantage of the man cup having the pool of the rich ,poor and real poor may become segreated. This is not my wish.
Mike M, we did have the bullet proof vest on and won the last race that Ashley will drive as a sportsman.
Tim Koyen, It was only ugly where you could not see.
Kevin Harter , you are excused.
On top of all this driving 20 hours on 4 hours sleep after this phone call..see link..
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2010-09-20/news/fl-miramar-auto-shop-fire-20100920_1_smoke-damage-miramar-fire-rescue-officials-bill-huff
http://cbs4.com/local/miramar.advanced.automotive.2.1921817.html
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Tom Sekey
Joined: 25 Jan 2004 Posts: 1077 Location: United States, Palau,
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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| We never race for points, just wins. Points are a waste in my opinion. What do you really get out of all that travel and money spent if racing for points. Is there a big purse that I wasn't told about? When we suck bad we pull it off and save it for a better day. |
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jim rogero
Joined: 18 Jun 2005 Posts: 1030 Location: United States, Florida, naples
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Tom Sekey wrote: | | We never race for points, just wins. Points are a waste in my opinion. What do you really get out of all that travel and money spent if racing for points. Is there a big purse that I wasn't told about? When we suck bad we pull it off and save it for a better day. |
Tom why race for a win? What do you get out of a win? What do you get out of the travel? Is there a big purse that I wasn't told about?
When we suck, meaning us, we try harder at the next race.
What we get out of points is the same as the nascar champion, super bowl champ, ect. ect. in our chosen sport. What you get, meaning you " in my opinion" is a win. |
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Todd P Weaver
Joined: 04 Apr 2009 Posts: 141 Location: United States, New Jersey, Egg Harbor
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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| jim rogero wrote: | ...........
Things that happened at the final man cup in new jersey are not healthy for the sport or what karting is supposed to be about..........
........Some of the things in my opinion that occured at this event take away from what has made this series successful. .......l |
Are you gonna tell us what happened or are we supposed to guess? _________________ Margay 4.7
Turner World Formula SS
#51 Team Axles of Evil |
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Tom Sekey
Joined: 25 Jan 2004 Posts: 1077 Location: United States, Palau,
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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You can win a championship and never win a single race. If you didnt win than what did you do? Loose Its bull that you pretty much have to run a full regional program to get the additional points. Again you dont have to win any of the races. We used to run for points until we realized it was "pointless". Its fun to show up at an obscure race somewhere, give them all hell and take the win. There are races around here that you can show up and win money and prizes even without being a "member". They get less attention because they are not the famed Man Cup.
Its all about attitude I guess. We have the "all or nothing" attitude one race at a time. Our kart is all banged up from that but it won a lot of races. |
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jim rogero
Joined: 18 Jun 2005 Posts: 1030 Location: United States, Florida, naples
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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Also, If no change is made next year, we may chose to run a tony kart front end, cut and weld a birel on the back end and use three other manufactures nuts and bolts, it may take them longer to calculate their advantage or disadvantage. Maybe we will use 10 or so decal kits as well.
It is all good, just wanta race. |
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Bob Vehring
Joined: 23 Jul 2001 Posts: 1338 Location: United States, Wisconsin,
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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Just a personal thought, In the Briggs world, there are a lot of fairly big money, races, Everyone shows up. Tough classes to win. In the end it shows you had a good day.
In a series you have to do many races from 5 to, well 17 here at Badger. Often you do different tracks and many different drivers, threw all kinds of track and weather conditions. That takes alot more then a good day. _________________ Bob Vehring
www.4cyclecentral.com |
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Mike Boutot
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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Jim I think Tom does not get it or is on a different level. Nascar drivers love to win but would die to win a championship. why's That. There is more dedication and work to become a championship winner than winning one race. Plus i think your driver has more wins at her age than most will achive in a life time. So isn't the goal to go to the next level, Find the next high, try to accoplish more than you have in the past. Its about consistancy, dedication and hard work which you both have done together and as a family. I think the problem you seen at this event is that some people are blinded by the win. They don't care how they get it and don't realize the actions they take to get there hurt the very reason we do this.
Congrates to Ashley for a great season. Cherish and enjoy this feeling. Some people go a life time to find this feeling you two share!!! _________________ Mad Mike
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Mike Burrell
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| George Sunderland wrote: | | Q: Why do karts cost so much? A: "Professional" drivers and handouts. |
+1 and a few other reasons... _________________ National Karting Alliance |
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jim rogero
Joined: 18 Jun 2005 Posts: 1030 Location: United States, Florida, naples
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Chris Wehrheim wrote: | | Are people really complaining that teams hire drivers to win races? Uh...I know I wasnt there this race, but I have been racing WKA for 14 years and this is nothing new I mean nothing new. Stop your crying and just go race. If these drivers didnt cause accidents and raced clean then there is nothing to complain about. |
Chris, If I could only find someone that had a video of your "hand vise clamping" at daytona, I may be able to make enough money selling it to enter the Indy 500 this year.
Stop Crying... " I know, I wasn't there" lmao |
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Tom Boddy Jr
Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 13
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| jim rogero wrote: | Also, If no change is made next year, we may chose to run a tony kart front end, cut and weld a birel on the back end and use three other manufactures nuts and bolts, it may take them longer to calculate their advantage or disadvantage. Maybe we will use 10 or so decal kits as well.
It is all good, just wanta race. |
I'd like to see the homologation form when your done .
and witch manufacture would take credit?
one things is for sure she'd still be the one to beat
btw how's the shop? the article said that the fire was contained to a storage area .. i hope that there isn't alot of damage |
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Tom Sekey
Joined: 25 Jan 2004 Posts: 1077 Location: United States, Palau,
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Mike Boutot"]Jim I think Tom does not get it or is on a different level. Nascar drivers love to win but would die to win a championship. why's That. There is more dedication and work to become a championship winner than winning one race.
NASCRAP is sports entertainment. You have to have noticed the recent termoil reguarding the possibility of having a champion that has not won a single race. 6 or 7 drivers in the chase had not won a race. What do you know, those "non winners" are suddenly winning. WOW. There is huge emphasis in NASCRAP on winning the championship. Its like winning a the superbowl. An indy driver said it best "you loose more than you win" . That IS points racing. Karting is a non spectator sport/hobby. Maybe some day that will change and there will be structure. Until than we will pick and choose that races that will bring US the best entertainment. Soon the boy (my son) will be an adult and all the karting will be a memory, best to make it a good one. |
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jim rogero
Joined: 18 Jun 2005 Posts: 1030 Location: United States, Florida, naples
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Tom Boddy Jr wrote: | | jim rogero wrote: | Also, If no change is made next year, we may chose to run a tony kart front end, cut and weld a birel on the back end and use three other manufactures nuts and bolts, it may take them longer to calculate their advantage or disadvantage. Maybe we will use 10 or so decal kits as well.
It is all good, just wanta race. |
I'd like to see the homologation form when your done .
and witch manufacture would take credit?
one things is for sure she'd still be the one to beat
btw how's the shop? the article said that the fire was contained to a storage area .. i hope that there isn't alot of damage |
Thank you Tom, I went to the shop today and "limited" is not the word. The fire was so hot that about 50 tires were ignited and the fire department had to spray lots of foam to put it out. My manager told me when she got there that there was about two feet of foam on the whole floor. After 26 years it was a very sad day. The building is 2/3 ok. My employees and I are possitive ,with effort and time we will be ok. |
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