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Don Bruner, Jr.
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 Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:59 am Post subject: Spoiler Alert!!!!!!!!!!!! F1 Race !!!!!!!!!!!! |
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FERRARI 1-2 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Ric Flair style)!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don
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Bob Baldwin jr
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:20 am Post subject: |
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I wonder what they will WHIIIIIIINE about NEXT 
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Ted Hamilton
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:48 am Post subject: |
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Would appeciate it if you'd put "Spoiler Alert" in the title, and celebrate in the message please.  I had tivo'd the race as I couldn't see it until this afternoon. Now it won't be a surprise who wins...
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Ted Hamilton
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:39 am Post subject: |
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Not a problem...I've learned this one the hard way.... Congrats to the prancing horses...
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Chad Stapleton
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Ted Hamilton wrote: | | I had tivo'd the race as I couldn't see it until this afternoon. ... |
save yourself a few hours, ( unless you like to sleep infront of the TV) ..
...this race is a real bore.
I have made a mental note not to bother watching any more of these "Desert" race track events. ...those tracks are DULL !
Even the teams thought it was boring...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/82145
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Bob Baldwin jr
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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Chad: So what Martin was saying was that the B'stones were TOO GOOD ? and 2 pitstops Mandatory should be required?
I was a little surprised at the amount of time difference between all teams .
Also recall Varsha and Hobbs referring to the DUSTINESS of the track contributing to lots of internal engine problems .
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Chad Stapleton
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Yes Bob,
he seems to be suggesting a much softer option tire ( and a less hard wearing "prime" tire) to both offer more strategy possibilities and force more pit stops. That and further changes to the rear diffuser design to reduce aero effects.
I still say they have to get rid of the wings completely.
And how did Ferrari get a free pass with those engine changes between qualifying and the race ? ..without a grid penalty 
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Brian Mead
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Well....they are Ferrari afterall. Wow did they look reallly slow on the start. Slow being a relative term to how they looked a year ago. The kid from India in the new car reminded me too much of some of my karting fiascos. Spend a ton of money, wrench your brains out to go just fast enough to be last and wreck. I would hope they could do better at that level. |
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joseph hollinger
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| Chad Stapleton wrote: |
...this race is a real bore.
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It really was. Schumacher's comment about the heavy fuel loads and how it makes passing basically impossible bodes badly for the rest of the season. They really seem to have gone the wrong way.
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Jeff Field
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:01 am Post subject: |
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| Chad Stapleton wrote: | | And how did Ferrari get a free pass with those engine changes between qualifying and the race ? ..without a grid penalty |
That's not new. They get 8(?) engines per car for the season. You install #9, get a penalty. They can even re-install #1 if they want to.
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Jim Derrig
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:31 am Post subject: |
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| joseph hollinger wrote: | | Chad Stapleton wrote: |
...this race is a real bore.
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It really was. Schumacher's comment about the heavy fuel loads and how it makes passing basically impossible bodes badly for the rest of the season. They really seem to have gone the wrong way. |
Looks like will get PONC races (Parade Of Noisy Cars) in which tire and engine conservation will be the overriding strategy factor and drivers will be told NOT to overtake for fear of wearing out either. |
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Chad Stapleton
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Jeff Field wrote: | | Chad Stapleton wrote: | | And how did Ferrari get a free pass with those engine changes between qualifying and the race ? ..without a grid penalty |
That's not new. They get 8(?) engines per car for the season. You install #9, get a penalty. They can even re-install #1 if they want to. |
I thought the rule states that an engine can be changed..." if there is an engine failure" ... not whenever they feel like it !
If not, we will see the return of "special" qualifying engines ! .. or is that what Ferrari did !?
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joseph hollinger
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Chad Stapleton wrote: | | Jeff Field wrote: | | Chad Stapleton wrote: | | And how did Ferrari get a free pass with those engine changes between qualifying and the race ? ..without a grid penalty |
That's not new. They get 8(?) engines per car for the season. You install #9, get a penalty. They can even re-install #1 if they want to. |
I thought the rule states that an engine can be changed..." if there is an engine failure" ... not whenever they feel like it !
If not, we will see the return of "special" qualifying engines ! .. or is that what Ferrari did !? |
Aren't the motor designs still frozen?
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Chad Stapleton
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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Can they repair/rebuild damaged motors ?
.. i assume not ?
Can red Bull replace the dud spark plug in Vettel's motor ?
.... I assume yes ? ( or do they have to swap the motor ?)
If Ferrari "think" those motors were likely to overheat, ..can they check internally for blockages , dud temp sensors etc??
What if a drive belt brakes, or a oil leak starts from a cam cover....can they dismantle to fix it ??
Boy, i hope someone has a good handle on where the line is drawn !
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joseph hollinger
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| Quote: | 5.18 Replacing engine parts:
The parts in lists A and B below may be changed without incurring a penalty under Article 28.4 of the F1 Sporting Regulations. If changing any of these parts involves breaking a seal this may be done but must carried out under FIA supervision. The parts in List B may only be replaced by identical homologated parts in accordance with Appendix 4 of the F1 Sporting Regulations.
List A
- Clutch
- Clutch basket
- Hydraulic pumps
- Engine electronic boxes (ECU's, power modules, control boxes)
- Fuel filters
- Fuel pumps
- Oil filters
- Oil tank systems
- Pneumatic bottles, regulators, pumps and pipes for valve actuation
- Exhaust systems
- Supports and brackets related to the auxiliaries, mentioned above
- Screws, nuts, dowels or washers related to the auxiliaries, mentioned above
- Cables, tubes or hoses related to the auxiliaries, mentioned above
- Oil or air seals related to the auxiliaries, mentioned above
- Spark plugs
List B
- Throttle system (including but not limited to throttle device, linkage, actuator, hydraulics)
- Intake system external to cylinder head (including but not limited to trumpets, trumpet tray, air box, air filter)
- Ignition coils
- Injection system
- Alternators
- Oil scavenging pumps
- Oil supply pumps
- Oil air separators
- Water pumps
- Electric and electronic sensors |
| Quote: | 28.4 a) Each driver may use no more than eight engines during a Championship season. Should a driver use more than eight engines he will drop ten places on the starting grid at the first Event during which each additional engine is used. If two such additional engines are used during a single Event the driver concerned will drop ten places on the starting grid at that Event and at the following Event.
An engine will be deemed to have been used once the car's timing transponder has shown that it has left the pit lane. |
| Quote: | c) After consultation with the relevant engine supplier the FIA will attach seals to each engine prior to it being used for the first time at an Event in order to ensure that no significant moving parts can be rebuilt or replaced.
Within two hours of the end of the post race parc ferme exhaust blanking plates (with one 10mm diameter inspection hole per cylinder) and further seals will be applied to all used engines in order to ensure that these engines cannot be run between Events. Upon request to the FIA these additional seals will be removed after the start of initial scrutineering at the next Event at which the engines are
required. All such engines must remain within the team's designated garage area when not fitted to a car and may not be started at any time during an Event other than when fitted to a car eligible to participate in the Event. |
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