Universal Rules: What would it take?

Darren Swisher

What would it take to get all the sanctioning bodies to agree to universal rules throughout the country?

Darren

Marc Miller · Advertiser Joined: 18 Jul 2001 Posts: 1834

People that care more about the sport than their egos.

MM

Tim Blaney · Joined: 18 Jul 2001 Posts: 1127

A miracle.

Darren Swisher

You guys probably "get out" more than I explain the reason all the different rules?

Are rules made to Monopolize a certains products usage?

Darren

Jeff Franz · Joined: 16 Jul 2001 Posts: 524

quote:
Originally posted by Darren Swisher:
Are rules made to Monopolize a certains products usage?

Darren

In a word...

Yes.

Jeff

Nick Weil

The problem as I see it is really basic...

1. With every single rule you make, you are going to include or exclude one racer's ideal race situation. Those that do not agree with the rules as they are written will do exactly what has been done in the past:

Make their own club with their own rules.

You cannot possibly make one set of rules that everyone wants to abide by, because there are too many differing opinions as to what is 'legal' and what should be governed.

If you upset drivers, they take their toys and form their ouwn club with their own rules.

It's a catch 22. You have to have the rules to keep everyone together, but the rules are usually what drives them apart...

Sad state of affairs, but we are in the middle of it.

Nick

Rich Dunwell

An Act of Congress with Bush's two daughters Overseeing everything else.........

Don McGregor

I don't like to take a negative stance, but the problem is that there are too many people racing who only care about getting a trophy, and not about competing.So, the more classes there are, the easier it is for everyone to be a winner!! This is attitude is where Conference Sports Car racing came from. Its too bad karting can't have a single, concise set of classes, but there are just too many people who would oppose it.

JMO
Don

Jeff Franz · Joined: 16 Jul 2001 Posts: 524

quote:
Originally posted by Don McGregor:
So, the more classes there are, the easier it is for everyone to be a winner!!

I think you're right, Don.

It is my understanding that, each year, there are over 300 karting national championships handed out in North America.

One additional problem, of course, is that each sanctioning body is convinced that "their" championships are more prestigious than the other sanctioning bodies' championships.

Jeff

Tim Blaney · Joined: 18 Jul 2001 Posts: 1127

quote:
Originally posted by Jeff Franz:
It is my understanding that, each year, there are over 300 karting national championships handed out in North America.

Jeff

Not to mention the Super Nationals, the Grand Nationals, the US Nationals. . .I am hoping that next year Jeff/Glenn and ekartingnews.com will sponsor the two new races I would like to see:

For the fast guys, you will have the "Super-Duper Nationals"

and

for those of us who aren't as fast:
the "You're Not-So Super Nationals".

This way, everyone is a winner! See you at the track next year.

Tim Doll

OK, now EVERYBODY go back and read Nick's post. Then read it again, carefully! Neil has hit the problem right on. At one time, there was really only one national karting organization in this county - the IKF. Then a group of people didn't like the way the IKF was running things, and went out and created their own "national" organization. Then another group of people didn't like the way the IKF and WKA were running things, and created their own organization. Then another group of people didn't like the way the IKF, WKA, and KART were running things, and created their own organization. And make no mistake, SKUSA is not the last, there are already others that have been formed. Is it about money? Is it about rules? is it about politics? Is it about power? Is it about personalities? Is it about market dominance? YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, and YES (and I'm sure there are others I have not thought of). We end up with new classes because people see something that threatens to make their existing equipment obsolete. We get more new classes because someone thinks they have a better mouse trap. We get more new classes because of regional differences - the class mix in the Pacific Northwest looks nothing like the class mix in Northern California, which looks nothing like the class mix in Southern California - how can we even hope to come up with a class structure that covers the entire US?. We keep classes alive that should be allowed to die because we don't want to obsolete a class of equipement.

In road race, the annual race at Road America is considered to be the model of how things should work - ~1000 entries from all over the country. What they DON'T talk about is that they run OVER 50 DIFFERENT CLASSES! Even if we could agree to make Road America the "TRUE" national road race karting championship you'd end up with more than 50 National Champions in Road Race alone!

No, I have no idea how you fix this mess, perhaps it is not fixable

.

Tim

[ August 10, 2001: Message edited by: Tim Doll ]

Stephen Buckley · Joined: 18 Jul 2001 Posts: 861

Let me see.... hmmmmmmmmm... 67 Yamaha classes... Doh!

Tim Blaney · Joined: 18 Jul 2001 Posts: 1127

quote:
Originally posted by Stephen Buckley:
Let me see.... hmmmmmmmmm... 67 Yamaha classes... Doh!

Is that all there are???

Erik Frank

If SCCA can do it, why can't karting?

Visualize whirled peas.

Gary Kozuma1 · Joined: 26 Jul 2001 Posts: 386

You guys are killing me!

How am I supposed to talk to customers and read your posts if I keep having to mute the headset, cause I'm breaking out in laughter?

To answer Darrin's question, it's really easy, you just need everyone to agree on a class structure, then on the rules. Since we can't agree on a class structure...