GAS GAS 250 Contact Information and Price

Riley Will

Here is the information on the GAS GAS 250 from the company that is producing the ICE Kart specific version:

E 5000.00 (~$6500.00 USD) completely ready for the kart. Includes complete exhaust with Ti silencer, carb, C/S sprocket, and shift lever.

There is NOT 2 levels of tune. All engines come tuned for the ICE kart and ready to race.

Contact Manfred Wittenborn directly @
wiwa.racing@onlinehome.de
011-49-521-285-963 wk.
011-49-162-105-5444 mobile.
011-49-52377982 fax.

The mobile # also accepts text messaging which he replies to very quickly.

If you are needing true information directly from the producer then use the above information. He is in Germany and is really wanting to support ICE KART RACERS.
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Riley Will
BRC Engineering
rwill@brceng.com
(403) 216-0630 wk.
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Charlie Tackett · Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:57 pm Post subject:

Well, RIley, call him up and have him update his website:

The company WIWA-Rennsporttechnik was created 1980. We are specialists for two-wheeler running engines for Karts and motorcycles, which are used in the German Championship, European Championship and World Championship. We develop and manufacture tuning exhaust systems for Yamaha, Rotax, GAS GAS, Hirth, TM and Honda. Current information about the Superkart can be found at www.superracekarts.net

Engine with ignition system + pinions without carburetor 5500 Euro. Exhaust with final muffler 750 Euro.

WIWA-Rennsporttechnik
Nord-West-Ring 54
32832 Augustdorf - Germany
Phone: 0049 (0) 5237 1061
Fax: 0049 (0) 5237 7982
Mobile:0049 (0) 170 1645627
INTERNET: WWW.WIWA-RACING.DE
E-MAIL: KONTAKT@WIWA-RACING.DE"

That comes to about $7900 without carb.

Now, I was going off my memory ( try your memoryout when your my age Riley), The $8000 grand I was thing of was the total price, and it was already converted to USD, and not still in Euros. I had copied and pasted the above into a file some time ago.

Not 12K, but not the 6500 USD you are stating he now has his priice at.

Not sure what you mean about two states of tune. Ask him if the portsing and also ispecifically if the transmission ratios are the same as in the Gas-Gas stock 250 egine as it runs on the motorcycle, or if transmission rations were changed for this kart version.

Like I said, I hope he update his website

Riley Will · Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 6:05 pm Post subject:

Charlie, I will tell him to be more clear on his website. What you are missing is that the price on the website includes their 20% VAT. Being in North America, you don't have to pay it Laughing

So, we are both correct. I just had more information to work with. What do you think about that price? I do not know what it costs to built a CR or Rotax, but I have to think that the Gas Gas price is now competitive? Anyways, I think it is just another viable option for ICE. Personally, I like the idea of supporting manufacturers like GAS GAS that are building products specifically for karting. That goes along way!
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BRC Engineering
rwill@brceng.com
(403) 216-0630 wk.
www.brceng.com

Riley Will · Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 6:10 pm Post subject:

Charlie, sorry about not replying to the rest of your questions. The engine is not that same with respect to porting and probably transmission as the motorcycle engine at all. Internally it is totally built for ICE karting......Kinda beats sending your engine out to the tuner of the week don'tcha think? Anyways, I am not selling his engines just trying to pass on information for a friend. It now comes with a carb too! I think it's a good deal.

If anyone out there wants information please direct it to Manfred. His english is good so call him.
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BRC Engineering
rwill@brceng.com
(403) 216-0630 wk.
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Charlie Tackett · Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 8:20 pm Post subject:

Ah ha! Most Euro sites I check don't include the VAT in the listed price. Does make a bit of difference!!. He realy does need to update that site and make it a bit clearer...both the VAT and that minor detail of the carb now being included.!

At that price it would be competitive with other fully built ICE. It's right in the ball park with our 450.

BTW, RIley check out this page on his website:

Take ote of the chassis on which they picture a number of their 250 motors.http://www.wiwa-racing.de/Wiwa_/Motorenlieferant/motorenlieferant.html

Chris Reinhardt · Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:05 pm Post subject:

Charlie, if you purchase it out of the country, I believe that you are free of the VAT, I know when I order Anderson parts I am.

Chris R.

Scott Loewenstine · Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 3:20 am Post subject:

What is the HP and Torque numbers on this motor ? Looking for numbers off a chasis dyno...In addition, will the motor fit on a standard Anderson motor mount ?

Charlie Tackett · Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:51 am Post subject:

Chris, your right about that and I think that is why most sites geared towards a true international market, not just Europe, show the price without the VAT already included.

Riley Will · Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:55 am Post subject:

Scott, you should contact Mr. Wittenborn. He can answer all of your questions.
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Riley Will
BRC Engineering
rwill@brceng.com
(403) 216-0630 wk.
www.brceng.com

Scott Loewenstine · Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 11:19 am Post subject:

Riley sent him an e-mail no response as of yet...I am gonna pm u...

Johnny West · Joined: 03 May 2002 Posts: 1182

A little birdie told me some one already has a Gas Gas and will be running this season. Andy???????????HMMMMMMMMM Very Happy

BTW I say let it run. Heck let all of them run if the class need to be adjusted that can happen too. My 2 cents
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ted dale · Joined: 25 Oct 2004 Posts: 611

Jonny that little birdy told me thay allredy have it on the dino 65bhp 42ftlbs andy look out

Andy Kiker · Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:14 am Post subject:

Ted that is funny mine said 68hp and 45ftlbs on the dino just ask johnny Wink

Scott Loewenstine · Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:29 am Post subject: gas gas

my gas gas motor has 72HP and 44.6 lbstorque...

Chris Reinhardt · Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:53 pm Post subject:

Can't wait till you guys get out of bedrock and get it on a Dyno, then we'll see what it makes....
Say hey to Fred and Barney for me...

Chris R.