Moto vs. KZ !!!1!!11!!!! The neverending debacle

[Larry Andrews]

Y'all have too much free time...

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I do have one contribution though. It seems like, here on the west coast at least, the classes with spec engines consistently seem to have the biggest fields and tend to attract the best drivers. Local clubs will almost always make room for anyone to play so it's not like anyone or anything is being 'prejudiced' against. People can do whatever they want to do and should. I like learning from the best and the path to that goal is clear, at least here. It's also really nice being able to get spares and ideas to help avoid having to go home early when real life prevents me from preparing adequately.

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[Jimmy McNeil]

[Jimmy McNeil]

[Mike Goebel]

[Riley Will]

Jimmy,

That is why i suggest a simple 125cc class. That way all this legacy engines, motos, FC's, ICC's, and KZ's can come out together. They are all 125cc air pumps. Open up the rules and allow the tuners to have a solid business again.

Man, if all those guys with 2-3 engines under their benches came out again that would be awesome grids. Junior, Light, Heavy, Masters.

Wow, think of the grids sizes!!!! Healthy competition between brands and tuners!!!! Awesome, gives me shivers:)

This could happen and the sport would flourish again at a local, regional, and national level. Obsolete nothing and allow everything to compete.
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[Jimmy McNeil]

Riley, I understand your desire to open it up to all different engines, but theirs no way you are going to be able to do that at a National level. As soon as one person starts kicking butt on a certain engine, everyone that could afford it would have that engine, many that couldnt would stay home.

Its a crappy feeling getting through and off the corner better only to loose 3 or 4 kart lengths on the straight. I dealt with that the first two years I raced on Pavesi's. The guys with the Maxters and Tm's would walk away on the straights. Not going to pay all the $$$ and travel 16 hours to race knowing I have no chance of winning because I dont have a certain engine.

Im pretty sure what your suggesting is already done at the club level all across the country, just dont think it would work out well at all at nationals.

[Erik Maxfield]

Road Racing application:

The Hegars are very fast guys. I can barely sniff after them for 3-4 corners in my stock honda when they are on their maxter.

Next race, they are running stock hondas, several seconds per lap slower, and we are all over each other.

Great, run the 125's together. Score them separately. Personally I would be pissed with a combined class because my stock honda would be a paperweight overnight.

Granted the rebuild cost of the engine relative to my tire bill is pretty small.
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[Bernard Muminovic]

You guys want to be all equal in the STOCK moto class then why pay any engine builder to get it done up?

Couldn't I just buy a stock cylinder, stock bottom end, stock ignition and all STOCK parts and be competitive? Isn't that the idea?
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[Donnie Leonard]

Wouldn't a modded stock moto engine fall under purpose built? If I remember correctly someone stated they hated all purpose built kart engines.

Bernard I agree with your idea of what a stock moto should be, it should be a 100% sealed engine from the factory with the exception of bolt on parts such as a pipe or air box. Anything more pretty much defeats the purpose of a stock moto. And if you mod the stock moto engine for better performance why not just use a ICC/KZ engine?

[Ken Schilling]

[Donnie Leonard]

I understand where your coming from on a sealed engine and not being able to repair them track side which would pose a huge problem. My post was just me throwing out an idea and maybe something that can be discussed. 100% sealed factory engines would really level the playing field speed wise if you think about it. Like I said its just an idea, I'm not hear to argue whether one engine should be used versus an other, all engines have their place....somewhere. But also keep in mind the more parts choices you have the higher the cost to race so maybe minimizing the options would bring cost down and would allow more people to race competitively.

[Jimmy McNeil]

[Alex King]

An independent survey suggests that over 50% of consumers prefer the Chiquita bananas over any other. When you have a Chiquita banana, you can trust in the quality and taste of it becuase each Chiquita banana comes with their famous blue sticker that means such banana meets a strict standard set by Chiquita. From the east to the west...from the north to the south of the USA...I think that when you try a Chiquita banana you will find that generally they are the same (or pretty close). Now...consumers are free to choose...they can buy Chiquita bananas from many different places...I buy always from Costco because I actually think they have better Chiquita bananas...quality is slightly better...they have great customer service...and price is very competitive.

Now. Don't get me wrong, I also like Gelato. They taste fantastic. They are very cool. But it requires a bit more monitoring and maintenance as they can melt and get you messy - for sure get you more messy than a Chiquita banana. And if you have too much of it, you will get overweight. I also think that it is overpriced, in the sense that I can get a lot more bananas for bucks I spend on an Italian gelateria.

[Randy Mckee]

Alex, how did you get bananas out there in left field?

(that was amusing)
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[Donnie Leonard]

Alex I got your point and a good laugh at the same te.