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Sam Zavaglia



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris Laird wrote:
Here's something else you might try.

http://www.shopswedetech.com/mobile/default.aspx#P327

A bunch of people have already spent 100's of hours and thousands of dollars coming up with "the" solution to your problem. Laughing


I'm trying that out now, I'll let you know how it works out for me.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly it's running great, so responsive off the turns, I'm now arriving to the race track ahead of all the competition.


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Todd Kageals



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benn,

The Dellorto is reported to supply 55 l/hr at 1.45 PSI. From what I have read, the other pumps flow less than that although the pressure is higher. I don't know much about pumps but on the surface it would seem that with just a slightly smaller seat, the Dellorto should do fine supplying enough fuel....no?......If you think that would work, I'm just going to go with a smaller seat and leave what I have already setup. Having said that, I am going to follow your advice and move the Dellorto lower to see if that fixes it first!

Benn Herr wrote:
While the small inlet seat should be able to deal with the lower regulated pressure from the Dellorto pump, I would recommend using a non-regulated pump. The needle opens from the drop of the fuel level in the float chamber, it doesn't have to be pushed open like a diaphragm carb does. You would get a quicker "refill" with the non-regulated pumps.

Some have wondered about the ability to supply fuel through a hole that is close to the same size as their main jet. It's not a problem. The fuel pressure to the inlet seat is typically around 2 psi (around 55.4 inches of water) and pretty continuous. Fuel is only drawn through the main jet when air flows into the engine, about 60 percent of the time. The differential pressure between the carb bore and the float chamber is not very great at wide open throttle when the demand is greatest. I'd estimate the the small inlet seat has 3 to 4 times the capacity required compared to how much the fuel can be draw through the main jet by the engine.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever you do, don't try the pump around that you already own.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would have been nice if people listened to John Denman and others back in the day on the Dell'orto VHSH30. Superb carburetor for a 125cc shifter kart.
Easy to say in hindsight of course. Many may argue that the VHSH30 is more expensive but when you start getting into pumparounds and GFS systems I think the tried and tested Dell'orto makes a lot of sense.

Anyway, carry on.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Todd Kageals



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not a matter of TRYING the pump-around I have. It worked on my other kart, I am sure it will work on the GP10. The reason I wanted the Dellorto was the simplicity and maintenance (none). 1 line to the pump, a 3 inch pulse line, short line to the carb. Pump nicely tucked in behind the cylinder with the pulse fitting pointing down to drain the oil. Besides, I need that pump-around for my other kart! Wanted to try somethign different on this one.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sam, You should try the engine mount, it will offset the drivers weight on that side and give you more room for the 2 piece exhaust pipe that someone is testing for us. You will have to pull the motor to change the oil though.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve Buckner wrote:
Sam, You should try the engine mount, it will offset the drivers weight on that side and give you more room for the 2 piece exhaust pipe that someone is testing for us. You will have to pull the motor to change the oil though.


For every problem, there is a solution Arrow http://www.shopswedetech.com/SwedeTech_Honda_CR125_Oil_Drain_Bolt_p/sre-cr125-drain-plug.htm

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just an update.....I pulled off all my beautiful plumbing and the fuel pump. Hacked up my perfectly fit fuel lines and moved the fuel pump to the floor of the garage (as low as you could possibly get it without digging a hole). The engine did run a little better but that may have been because I pointed the lower vent tube straight down allowing excess fuel to drain onto the floor instead of it getting pushed up the all three of the vent tubes. With the vents setup that way, I was able to get the engine to idle and it did not sound bad reving up. Now the bad news.....I still get a constant stream of fuel from the bottom vent line as long as the engine is running. It appears that the Dellorto is still blowing the seat. So.....I probably need a smaller seat and yet another fuel pump(s) or yes......I could just give up and buy another pump-around setup like Clark told me to do in the first place!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Todd Kageals wrote:
Now the bad news.....I still get a constant stream of fuel from the bottom vent line as long as the engine is running.

The bottom one is not a vent line, it's the bowl overflow line, that one needs to be pointed down and put it into a catch bottle if so desired.

Now lower the float a little, if you set to the standard spec it is pretty high almost to the overflow level anyway, designed for gravity feed.

Make sure you do have a T on the dellorto output with a return to tank.

It may still weep just a touch every now and then but it will work.

It that is not good enough, go to fuel system and parts and get a GFS from here.
http://www.shopswedetech.com/mobile/default.aspx#P327
I've read here many times that the support you get from Jason on his cell phone is awesome, he even calls you up sometimes to make sure it's all working good. Can't get better than that.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:00 pm    Post subject: Success......at least partially Reply with quote

So....I moved the pump to all the way down below the engine and got no change to the fuel overflowing the bowl so I decided to adjust the float level. I adjusted the float 1.5mm to 17.5mm (16mm is spec on the PWK). I fired it up (started right up....barely even pulled the strap). I let it idle for a while, blipped the throttle several times, idled it a while long, held the revs high for a bit and NO FUEL FROM ANY OF THE LINES!!!! I even moved the pump back where I originally had it (mounted to the head.....a little higher than the carburetor) and still no fuel flowing from the vents or overflow. I tested it as much as you can on the stand. I won't know for sure if the Dellorto works well until I track test it but as of right now it looks good!!!!

Thanks for all the help everyone.

Going to try to get it down to MMX for a good test once it warms up! I'll let you know how it turns out.

Thanks again.

Todd
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:00 pm    Post subject: Success......at least partially Reply with quote

Sorry for the double post. I must have hit it twice before it was ready!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeff DeMello wrote:
adjust your float level


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