Aixro vs shifter karts

[Brian Degulis]

How similiar is it when one has a 6 speed gearbox and one doesn't? It just seems like apples and oranges to me.


Brian

[Brian Degulis]

What changes has the Aixro seen in the last 6 years? I ask because I have an opourtunity to buy a new one that's been sitting on the shelf for 6 years (discount price). I'm told it does not have a rev limiter and I'm assuming it's magneto ignition. What other improvments have they're been and how important are they?


Brian

[Justin Martin]

Brian, I do not have first hand experience, however I have heard horror stories about early aixros. I hear the originals, as well as over revving problems also had apex seal problems. My understanding is that these problems have since been solved.

I too have looked into an aixro before, however after hearing the horror stories I am still waiting on a good deal with a newer era aixro

[Kai Attwood]

Yes, it's a good idea to have a rev limiter; otherwise you should be extremely disciplined – very difficult when these things rev so happily and sweetly.

Having said that, my first one (in 2006) had no limiter and I regularly took it to 12k revs and beyond without apparent harm. It never had a service, and to my knowledge still hasn’t – though I’m told the current owner now uses it very rarely.

What problems were there ever with the apex seals? It’s just that the ceramic ones last longer than the metal ones, which will eventually warp with a resulting loss of power.

Guys, if you can afford it, don’t lose time before enjoying the most beautiful motor you can possibly have on a kart. It’s sooo much better than anything else. You’ll know that once you have one.

On the topic here, I can only agree with Antoine: if the performance is so similar, what’s the problem? Why should it matter whether there are gears or not? I’ll have an apple while you have an orange; they’re both fruit of similar size.
Karting is a fringe sport that seems to insist on being rigid and carving itself up into even smaller segments instead of seeing the ‘bigger’ picture and being flexible.

[Jim McMahon]

[Brian Degulis]

And I get what your saying. I run a CRF 250 4 stroke shifter. It runs about the same HP as a 125 and it has a gear box. That match is reasonable and it makes for an interesting race because of the diffrence in power bands. I take them out in the low RPM range and they take me out in the high RPM range. I passed and was passed 17 times in one race. But that's still a piston engine with a gear box. If you just say anything close is OK then wouldn't anything be possible? How about a gas turbine? What happens if the Aixro begins to dominate then it becomes an Un fair contest. You need some sort of reasonable comparsion to make a race.


Brian

[Antoine Marcade]

In the dry both karts are really similar, in the wet it is a different story it is unffair to the Aixro. Last weekend I raced with KZ in the wet, the first one finished 32 seconds behind me, this said I don't think the drivers present were excellent drivers.

On Aixro evolutions, I don't think there have been any enhancements on the performance, I even believe the fastest engine are quite old as the funny thing with the Aixro is that the more hours they get, the faster the go (it is to do the with the seals matching more and more the center housing with the hours).
The major evolutions I know of backwards:
2012 - Exhaust extension that reduces the noise to about 90dB (I think, I may be wrong on the measurement).
2011 - PVL ignition, I would say it does not improve the performance but make the engine more user friendly as the engine will start and stop better and also you need a smaller batteries when you run the inboard starter.
2009 - Port to measure main bearing temp, the most important measurement for the health of the engine.

[Dean Graves]

Antoine,

You can race a bunch of other bad ass motors here:

Unlimited All-Stars rules at Rock Island GP

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Muscle Karts coming to Rock Island Grand Prix

ROCK ISLAND, Ill. – The Rock Island Grand Prix has opened the door for Muscle Karts to race at the historic Labor Day Weekend street race, August 31-September 1.

After several years of promoting a 2-cycle Pro Open category, the Rock Island organizing committee has now thrown the doors open to any kind of engine. The Pro Open class has adopted the technical rules of the Unlimited All-Stars. It will not be sanctioned by UAS, but the organization is urging drivers to participate. AT&T and Casey’s General Stores are presenting sponsors of the Rock Island Grand Prix.

“The idea behind the class was to get racers to think outside the box -- an element that helped the sport develop in the first place. We have had some success, but not enough to sustain it,” said Roger Ruthhart, president of the Rock Island Grand Prix. “We have had some interest in running 4-cycles, Wankels and duals in the class, so we sought an existing rule set that would allow that and settled on the Unlimited All-Stars technical rules. We hope this move will encourage the growth of the class.”

The Unlimited All-Stars was originally created in 1990 to preserve the then-dwindling open class on the dirt tracks in Western Pennsylvania. For quite a while, the Unlimited All-Stars concept was only applied there. In 2001 the concept was tested on tracks in Florida. As a result of success there, it later spread to Arizona, Georgia and the Carolinas. It has continued to grow and as of this writing there are 22 officially recognized circuits across the country and it is very likely that there will be as many as 25 that start up in 2013. The national Unlimited All-Stars season culminates with the annual UAS Muscle Kart Grand Nationals. This year that event will take place at Lasoski Speedway, Warrensburg, Missouri, on Sept. 13-15, where the organization’s seventh national champion will be crowned.

The Unlimited All-Stars (UAS) is a national club that represents a single class for kart racing that combines a wide variety of engine types. Those engines are limited only by their maximum displacement; otherwise there are virtually no limits to permissible modifications. The class was developed primarily for competition on short dirt oval tracks although the rules have been applied successfully on other tracks as well. These karts are capable of a very high level of performance and therefore the class is intended only for experienced drivers who have proven themselves capable of safely competing in a sportsman like manner.

“Implementing the UAS concept requires a shift in thinking to pull it off. Outsiders are attracted by the openness of the rules, but it is the camaraderie and sportsmanship that really makes it work and keeps it safe,” said Mark Bergfelt, executive director of the UAS. “Those parts of the program are absolutely essential to making this work. Whiners, nit pickers and finger pointers should be discouraged from getting involved.”

Ruthhart suggested that the festival atmosphere of the Rock Island Grand Prix would provide a great opportunity for this class to flourish and running in front of hundreds of karters and thousands of spectators will be great exposure for the Muscle Kart program, he said.

Due to its nature, the Unlimited All-Stars is not a class that everyone will want to participate in. Racers who are eager to try new and sometimes radical technical ideas will feel right at home in the UAS, said Bergfelt. The rules contain a set of parameters, and emphasize safety but were intentionally written to allow and encourage innovation.

Basics of the engine rules:

* Rotary or reed value 2-stroke: 230 lbs. plus 1 pound for each cc. 217cc maximum displacement.
* Flat head 4-stroke: 190 lbs. plus one pound for every 3 ccs. Multiple engines or cylinders permissible. 500 cc maximum total displacement. Single cylinder from 501-510 cc is allowed at 430 lbs.
* Piston port 2-stroke: 170 lbs. plus one pound for every cc. Multiple engines or cylinders are permissible. 225cc maximum displacement. Single cylinder from 226-255cc is allowed at 430 lbs.
* Overhead cam 4-stroke: 120 lbs. plus one pound for every cc. Multiple engines or cylinders are permissible. 305 cc maximum displacement. Single cylinder engine 306-510cc displacement is allowed at 430 lbs.
* Overhead valve 4-stroke: 200 lbs. plus one pound for every 2.5ccs. Multiple engines or cylinders are permissible. 500 cc maximum total displacement. Single cylinder 501-510 cc is allowed at 430 lbs.
* Single rotor rotary (Wankel) engine: 295cc maximum displacement. Weight 135 lbs. plus one pound for each cc. (295cc engine runs at 430 lbs). Engine must be normally aspirated.

If a kart is equipped with turbocharger or nitrous oxide, add 15 lbs. for each cylinder served by the system.

(Note: If there is any discrepancy between this description and the actual rules, the rules take precedence.)

UAS rules do not prohibit gearbox karts, but Bergfelt said that in most situations he is familiar with shifters are at a disadvantage against a Muscle Kart.

Ruthhart stressed that those considering entering the class should review the entire rules package, plus any Local Option Rules which will be posted soon on the web site at rockislandgrandprix.com .

Complete Unlimited All-Stars Rules can be found at unlimitedallstars.org/rules.html

While Muscle Karts generally run on dirt ovals, the adjustments to run at Rock Island will be relatively minor since there is only one right-hand turn. It is an open track with long straights which will allow competitors to really stretch out their machines. In order for sprint racers to compete, they will simply have to fall within the UAS technical regulations.

“This will be our last effort to promote open class kart racing. We hope racers will support it and it is successful and we are excited to be able to expose our racers and race fans to the thrills of Muscle Kart racing,” said Ruthhart. “At the very least, the UAS rules provide a framework where nearly any engine can compete in the Pro Open class at Rock Island. But we also hope to be able to showcase the Muscle Kart program, see how they adapt to street racing and how other Pro Open drivers adapt under the new rules.”

A complete list of classes to be run at the Rock Island Grand Prix in 2013 will be announced soon.

[Jim McMahon]

I think Antoine is in the UK tho.
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[Antoine Marcade]

I am indeed based in the UK

[Chris Hurst]

[Cory Ross]

It is not that it does not pump lubrication on decel.

From another thread about this motor.

[Brian Degulis]

Well I ORDERED ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I must be completly insane.


What sprocket are you running???



Brian

[Justin Martin]

Lucky!

[Chris Hurst]