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Aixro vs shifter karts
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Jim McMahon



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Antoine Marcade wrote:
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Lighter package.


I understand now you mean: comparison without ballast. In the UK we run the Aixro at 180kg like the KZ2, some of us have to put up to 25kg ballast... Once the ballasts are removed it will be definitely a clear cut situation.


25Kg will slow you down a bit alright!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are you doing so much better in wet conditions?



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because of the smooth power delivery of the Aixro and also because the rotary engine response is very responsive so you have good control.

When I went from Rotax to Aixro 3 years ago, I was really surprised that the kart was much easier to control despite having nearly twice more power.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's impresive!!! I drove one and was blown away by the absence of the narrow power band of the 2 stroke. many of the Aixro's I've seen around here have trouble with the on board starter making a high enough cranking RPM for reliable starting. Have you seen any of that?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never saw that but as everyone is using an external starter, I have very little experience of the in board starter. No need for one I think as the kart don't stall. If you really want one, I think it is better to have the PVL ignition
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd love to get one and maybe I will. The obvious down side around here is there's no class for them and not enough of them around to even have a few to practice with.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Open shifter should allow them.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enzo Iadevaia wrote:
Open shifter should allow them.


Then it wouldn't be a shifter class
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

True. Where else would you put them.

I also agree shifter class should be gearbox only karts too
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's the problem you can find clubs that will let you run with shifter but regardless of what happens it's not realy racing when your using a completly different machine.

But I'd still like to have one!!!!




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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's the problem you can find clubs that will let you run with shifter but regardless of what happens it's not realy racing when your using a completly different machine.
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Not real racing? Racing history is littered with completely different machines racing each other. I though that was the point Smile That's what gives racing texture... rather than being a flat piece of paper Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.unlimitedallstars.org/

These guys run Aixro, 2-stroke, 4-stroke, or whatever.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have done another race this weekend in France where Aixro and KZ race together. This time I did not have to start at the back each time, I was part of with the KZ and other 4 strokes. I did not find a problem at all, I think it is perfectly safe and actually interesting.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan Dove wrote:
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That's the problem you can find clubs that will let you run with shifter but regardless of what happens it's not realy racing when your using a completly different machine.
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Not real racing? Racing history is littered with completely different machines racing each other. I though that was the point Smile That's what gives racing texture... rather than being a flat piece of paper Smile


Yes diffrent machines that are similiar but this is something completly diffrent. It's not 2 stroke it's 4. It's not 125CC it's not a recpricating engine and it doesn't shift. So what spec or performance curve do you use to match them to anything for competition other than themselves? It's not like mixing Honda and Kawaski in moto.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unleaded / Diesel in 24h Le Mans, V-twins / 4 cylinders in Superbike, prototype / CRT in Motogp, etc...

Coming to KZ and Wankel engines, the performance between a good KZ and the Aixro is surprisingly similar, they are more differences between an old KZ and a new KZ than between an Aixro vs a recent KZ. Does it chock anyone to have a TM K9a racing with a TM KZ10? I think it does not matter to have different technologies racing together as long as the performance is similar across the board.
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