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Nick Feczko
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 Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:30 pm Post subject: Clutch options for Supercan |
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I have been using the Horstman two disc clutch for three seasons now and can't say I've been pleased with the results. I am looking at changing clutches for the upcoming season.
Research shows that Tomar, L&T, and Patriot are the popular choices. Any advice/suggestions would be greatly appreciated. |
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Joe Brizzolara
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| I had good results with both the L&T and the Tomar. Tomar lasted longer between changing plates. I think I had a single disk L&T and a 2 disk Tomar. |
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steve eppard
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| Tomar has come out with a new line of friction disc and heat treats. The friction and clamping force has completely changed. Stall speed stays balanced and remains consistent all day. They launched these new products at the PRI and IMIS show after extensive 2012 testing. |
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Nick Feczko
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:26 am Post subject: |
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| steve eppard wrote: | | Tomar has come out with a new line of friction disc and heat treats. The friction and clamping force has completely changed. Stall speed stays balanced and remains consistent all day. They launched these new products at the PRI and IMIS show after extensive 2012 testing. |
This was our biggest complaint with the Horstman. Never could get a consistant stall speed. Will definitely look into the Tomar. Thanks guys |
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Jason Ewers
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Location: United States, Indiana, indianapolis
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:30 pm Post subject: Clutch |
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| I use both the 2 and 3 disc tomara and really never have to touch them. Once you get stall speed set, it stays. I couldn't be happier with the performance. |
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patrick slattery
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Location: United States, Ohio, cleves
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:18 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch |
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| Jason Ewers wrote: | | I use both the 2 and 3 disc tomara and really never have to touch them. Once you get stall speed set, it stays. I couldn't be happier with the performance. |
+1 Ditto |
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Dan Rudd
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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We ran Horstman several years ago and I keep one around to use as a doorstop.
We've used the Tomar for the past few years and am completely satisfied with it. Easy to set, a snap to rebuild and to quote Ron Popeil, "Set it and forget it"
Try the Tomar, you won't regret it.
I look forward to trying their new discs.
Dan |
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Jim Stine
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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Thoughts on Patriot?
Last edited by Jim Stine on Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:42 am, edited 1 time in total |
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Jason Ewers
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Location: United States, Indiana, indianapolis
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:55 pm Post subject: Clutch |
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| Patriot I believe uses horstman parts. As I stated in my earlier post you can't go wrong with the tomar |
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Mark Dismore Jr
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| Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:23 am Post subject: Re: Clutch |
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| Jason Ewers wrote: | | Patriot I believe uses horstman parts. As I stated in my earlier post you can't go wrong with the tomar |
The Patriot and the Horstman have a few parts in common or interchangeable (drum, disks, spring) but all parts on the Patriot are made by Patriot. Also with the Patriot being a 6 spring clutch the spring plate, floaters and inner hub are not the same. |
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Walt Gifford
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:47 am Post subject: |
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Mark, will my Horstman Steel Nytro disks work in the Patriot?
I've had allot of gear breakage with the Tomar, I sold mine.
Thanks,
Gif 
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Mark Dismore Jr
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:06 am Post subject: |
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Personally I wouldn't recommend putting wet clutch disks in a dry clutch, that probably wouldn't end well!
Mark |
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Dan Rudd
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| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Walt Gifford wrote: |
I've had allot of gear breakage with the Tomar, I sold mine. |
Thats interesting, I've seen piles of broken Horstman gears (drivers) but never seen a Tomar break. I assume you're referring to drivers rather than sprockets. Hmmm?
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Walt Gifford
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| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:29 am Post subject: TD23-3 |
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The driver was fine he never puts his hands near the chain. The 10th sprockets broke off the drum. Sent a bunch back to Tomar and they replaced them. They all broke too but saved the last good one to sell the clutch with.
Problem was they made a bushing thick enough so you could press it in with no subsequent machining. This left the steel holding the sprocket on very thin. Our track is very hard on clutches and they snapped like twigs.
Maybe they've improved the design since then IDK.
Gif
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