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Can I road race or sprint race this anywhere in the the US
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Michael Boone



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:52 am    Post subject: Can I road race or sprint race this anywhere in the the US Reply with quote

I know you guy don't much care For CIK/FIA racing ! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

Its called MKI carbon
They race them in the south of France and Italy





Chassis in carbon fiber
Bodywork
Electronic gearbox on steering wheel
Ventilated disk brakes with adjustable braking forces
Axle 50
Tires 6”
Covered wheels
Maximum Speed: 230 km/h = 145mph
Weight: 115 kg =253lb

Engine:
TM Kz10 - 125 cc – 2 stroke
carburetor for unleaded 4% mixture fuel
Water-cooled
Electric starter
6 gear tiptronic (6up/6down) electronic on steering wheel


Safety Features:
Anti crash protection (front and rear)
Roll-bar
Rear mirrors
Bodywork

Aerodynamics:
Chassis improved ground effects
Bodywork made with wind tunnel testing
Front spoiler
Rear wing

It is not a superkart but I guess it could run with them!?

There is a guy that runs his on our track a couple of time a year just for fun!

More photos here! http://www.facebook.com/pages/Mki-Racing/187742721240604#!/pages/Mki-Racing/187742721240604

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WKA runs an unlimited class that acts like a catch-all for different karts. This would probably fit.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guess it depends upon what is under the skin. If you look at the USSK website, a Superkart is defined like other karts by maximum/minimum wheel base and width, with a front nose cone and rear wing. They are now running a class that looks like a traditional Superkart, but powered by a 125 instead of a 250. If the kart pictured is a tradition CIK style sprint kart with full body work on it, then it probably would not meet one of the wheel base specs....especially if it is wider than traditional. If it a frame that has traditional Superkart dimensions, but a different style body work, then it may pass if meets the minimum/maximum body works specs.

The WKA unlimited class is not a catch all class, they still restrict the motors and don't require a rear wing, they have the list of parameters listed on their website in regards to wheelbase and body work.

I believe I read that mirrors were not legal in any class, but I may be wrong on that one.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey what ever the case that is one cool looking and nicely engineered kart! Since it is made out of carbon fiber, what is the cost?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Hey what ever the case that is one cool looking and nicely engineered kart! Since it is made out of carbon fiber, what is the cost?

what's the saying?
"if you have to ask, you can't afford it"......
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.R. Ybarra wrote:
Hey what ever the case that is one cool looking and nicely engineered kart! Since it is made out of carbon fiber, what is the cost?


Depending on style and age 5 to 8,000 € (6.680 to 10600 $)

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They had a display at a KMI show.. They looked cool
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's got a roll bar are you strapped in?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Searched 'mki' and 'carbon' on cik/fia website--no results.

It is not a 'kart' according to regs.
http://www.cikfia.com/fileadmin/content/REGULATIONS/Technical/Technical%20Regulations/Web_RT_FULL.pdf

Chassis not a magnetic material, nor round or oval tube.
2.3.3.2 – Description
The chassis frame is the central and supporting part of the
whole kart. It must be sufficiently resistant to be able
to absorb the charges produced when the kart is in
motion.
2.3.3.3 – Requirements
- “ Magnetised ” steel (see 2.3.3.4) tubular construction
with a cylindrical section. One piece with welded parts that
cannot be dismounted.
- Without connections (mobile in 1, 2 or 3 axes).
- The flexibility of the chassis frame corresponds to the
elasticity limits of the tubular construction.
2.3.3.4 – Material
Structural steel or structural steel alloy meeting the ISO
4948 classifications and the ISO 4949 designations.
Alloy steels having at least one alloy element the mass
content of which is ≥ 5 % are forbidden.
The magnetic steel used must be able to pass the following
«contact force» test:
a magnet defined according to Appendix No.8 with an axial
magnetic field and for which the mass is subjected to
gravity, must remain stuck in every respect to the surface
of the chassis-frame tubes. Prior to this test, the contact
surfaces shall have been cleared of any finishing treatment
with an abrasive.
Under all circumstances, on decision of the Scrutineers or
of the Sporting Authority, or further to a protest, a chemical
analysis (by fluorescence) may be carried out and will
prevail over the result of the “contact force” test.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Several years ago a fellow showed up at Summit Point with what I'm assuming was an early version of this type of kart.
I don't remember whether he actually got it on the track or not--had some mechanical troubles I think.
WKC was going to let him run it for fun but not in any class.

As cool as these things are, I would think on a club level, some track time could be had.

As far as racing goes, it would require a rules change in the Unlimited Class to account for the lack of a tubular steel chassis, but since unlimited currently has Laydown 125 shiftys, 125 & 250 Superkarts, B-Stock Twins, and 125 Twins I guess it might fit.

Of course if somebody would just slap a couple of BRC 150's on a Laydown, them carbon thingys would become but a memory b4 the first one hit U.S. soil.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael,

You'd be good to run with us.

It would run in our Shifter kart class.

It's a kart no matter what the CIK boys say.

Just because your frame is made a different way or you have a lot of bodywork - it's still a kart.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lame. Uses carbon fibre but weighs in heavier than it's steel-based counterpart. FAIL. Also not a hope in hell of one of those things pusing enough air out of the way to hit 145 with a KZ motor.

What CIK\FIA stuff does it run with? Carbon fibre chassis=bad idea. Consider the torsional stress the tubular steel goes under in a kart application.. Now consider that carbon fibre is not meant to flex and furthermore cannot be merely inspected visually against cracking to any reasonable degree.

Cool concept but will be interesting to see when they start failing and or when they have to start sonogrpahing them after x amount of races. This was tried back in the early 90's and didn't work out so well, can't remember who it was though.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim McMahon wrote:
Lame. Uses carbon fibre <SNIP> Now consider that carbon fibre is not meant to flex <SNIP>


umm, what about all those carbon fiber reeds? they don't "flex"?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carbon fiber is perfect for flexing. Essay better than steel

As for weight, I agree, pretty weak.

However carbon fiber is brilliant it allows the engineer to adapt the carbon layup to be stiff as hell in every direction, yet flexible in the directions wanted.

We have been using it in Air craft and the bicycle industry for years. I have even seen RC wings that are 6 feet wide and less than a half inch thick. Completely hollow molded, and you can stand on it between two saw horses. I have see the SAME circumstance with a layup designed to flex, it would flex up to 65* intentionally.....
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim McMahon wrote:
Lame. Uses carbon fibre but weighs in heavier than it's steel-based counterpart. FAIL. Also not a hope in hell of one of those things pusing enough air out of the way to hit 145 with a KZ motor.

What CIK\FIA stuff does it run with? Carbon fibre chassis=bad idea. Consider the torsional stress the tubular steel goes under in a kart application.. Now consider that carbon fibre is not meant to flex and furthermore cannot be merely inspected visually against cracking to any reasonable degree.

Cool concept but will be interesting to see when they start failing and or when they have to start sonogrpahing them after x amount of races. This was tried back in the early 90's and didn't work out so well, can't remember who it was though.


Hey Jim they already race them in France and Italy and have for the last 10 years Razz Very Happy
In France it's called TTI carbon and in Italy MKI carbon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcXoslmjDdE
http://www.wat.tv/video/tti-carbone-long-circuit-carole-1jg6i_2eyxt_.html

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