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joseph hollinger
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That pretty much settles this discussion.
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Chris Fosso
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was a duplicate
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Chris Fosso
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| Chris Fosso wrote: | i am amazed ..at some peoples opinion
i doubt its tom...... he has been doing the same thing at all the venues (skusa has been racing at) for the few years i have been racing with them..IE same tires..same prices ..same ..same same..
now all if a sudden PKRA wants to change it up >? what do they think they are special>? why would it be any different then it was>? now that SKUSA wanted to come to phoenix.. just because we(should say PKRA ,,because i dont go there much either) have a race here they think they can make all the rules..>?
the board at our venue seems to have their own agenda and could careless about the greater good.
all this drama on tires.... crazy
the tires are exactly the same.... just stamped different.
...finally get a good race to come to phoenix...and drama F##^%ed it up. so much for phoenix on the schedule.
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Stewart Willis
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| Doug Fleming wrote: | The big rumor (fact now that it's on the internet) that I was told today from some reliable pot stirrers was that it was a "color" thing. Tire color.
Someone involved didn't want to do what was best for Joe Karter. He was more interested in making His wallet thicker.
Sorry Ryon. |
Right on the money. We had a very similiar tire deal that benefited only one person last time this was signed. There were promises that the tire deal this time around would be transparent and offers and bids would be entertained. This did not happen AGAIN! The members are furious at this. It is being turned around as if Tom K was pressuring the club to sign his deal. But, all he wanted to do was present his offer. He was not given this opportunity. Love him or hate him, Tom is a man of his word. The story from several of the Board members is that the President of the PKRA signed the contract 3 days earlier, unbeknownst to them without voting on the contract. But, after the fact held a vote to support the contract which resulted in a 5-3 vote against the SKUSA tire.
The reality is that we in Phoenix have an amazing facility and volunteers that work hard to make it great. But, as Buddy Rice has always said, "PKRA is spooked" [by bad decision makers that hurt karting and the club].
This will go down in PKRA history as one of the bad ones.
Here is the local PKRA thread where this is also being discussed. I have, once again been banned by the moderator, Randy Lyon, of the forum for speaking my peace, after taking some public (and personal) insults from him.
http://pkra.com/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=4146&start=1
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Bernie Lacotta
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:45 am Post subject: |
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| joseph hollinger wrote: | | That pretty much settles this discussion. |
Not quite. I am a PKRA board member that voted for Skusa's (Tom's) deal to be accepted. I must admit I did this apprehensively as Tom's deal was presented in a poor manner. If it was good or bad for the club (discounting losing the race dates) is questionable but it's presentation ,along with it's implied tie in to the track retaining the race dates was not the best tact. There were a lot of little details involved in these dealings,everything was above board,timing was essential and Tom's presentation was a last minute deal. The contracts for the race dates were in SKUSA's hands with more than sufficient time to be reviewed and signed but were not. To be used as leverage for the tire contract? I don't know. Just looks bad. Again,this is coming from one who voted for the SKUSA deal.
There are always three sides to a story ,yours.ours,and the truth.
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Stewart Willis
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The reality is that our old tire deal, and apparently now the new one excluded the SKUSA racers from being able to come to phoenix and race our club races with whites. We turned away tons of drivers that were using our races to test for the big races. and also many drivers(like fosso) who race SKUSA events and want to use their one race old Whites to race club events but are prevented from doing so.
The reality is that even if the deals financials are identical, it is bad for the club. Pure karting has ten drivers that would race at PKRA on their used whites, but are not allowed to. THIS IS BAD FOR THE CLUB.
Of course Tom is going to leverage his races. Why wouldn't he. It is not the "Blackmail" that he was being accused of in e-mails circulating amongst board members. It is business.
There was no need to rush this tire deal.. It is BAD BAD BAD for PKRA.
Several local drivers, including myself will spend our money elsewhere. I will not support these horrendous decisions that took took away a great home field race season for us.. I will use PKRA as a practice facility since I have prepaid my Platinum membership which includes free practice. But, I will race at races where the promoters have a track record of promoting big fields, real technical inspection, and fair treatment of its participants. See ya at LAKC, Challenge of The Americas, ProKart Challenge, and ProTour.
The board talks about our great relationship with MG America, yet they let half of the club merge over to Mojos for the Rotax series (Which they say is not a club event)... But they wont even CONSIDER another MG deal....
Now we have to deal with another couple years of the membership's bitterness at a board and a president who have made a VERY bad decision for the future of Phoenix Kart Racing Association.
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John Matthews
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:54 am Post subject: |
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I know nothing about this particular tire deal but I can tell you I stopped providing trackside support at PKRA when they changed from Bridgestone to MG.
Simple reason for this, even though I didn't make much money from tires I was told if I wanted to sell tires that were legal to race at the track I would have to buy them from my competitor.
Now, I happen to like the guy and am happy he has a business that provides services to the track, but I'm not about to be told where I can purchase the products I sell to my customers. When the track was using Bridgestone I could buy them from AZUSA, or Grand Products (both distributors I already did business with who weren't competing with me in my market). I would have gladly payed more $$ to sell the approved MG Yellow tires IF I could have bought them direct or through a real distributor. Making me put money into the pockets of a competitor is like telling me I have to run 15lbs extra weight just because they like the other guy better....
Again, I have no horse in this race since I moved out of Phoenix 3 years ago. I'm glad Bernie is on the board because I know he will do the right thing for racers. And hopefully the extra race will give Tucson a boost, that track is awesome and Charlie is a first rate guy in my book.
Cheers,
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Bernie Lacotta
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| Stewart Willis wrote: | The reality is that our old tire deal, and apparently now the new one excluded the SKUSA racers from being able to come to phoenix and race our club races with whites. We turned away tons of drivers that were using our races to test for the big races. and also many drivers(like fosso) who race SKUSA events and want to use their one race old Whites to race club events but are prevented from doing so.
The reality is that even if the deals financials are identical, it is bad for the club. Pure karting has ten drivers that would race at PKRA on their used whites, but are not allowed to. THIS IS BAD FOR THE CLUB.
Of course Tom is going to leverage his races. Why wouldn't he. It is not the "Blackmail" that he was being accused of in e-mails circulating amongst board members. It is business.
There was no need to rush this tire deal.. It is BAD BAD BAD for PKRA.
Several local drivers, including myself will spend our money elsewhere. I will not support these horrendous decisions that took took away a great home field race season for us.. I will use PKRA as a practice facility since I have prepaid my Platinum membership which includes free practice. But, I will race at races where the promoters have a track record of promoting big fields, real technical inspection, and fair treatment of its participants. See ya at LAKC, Challenge of The Americas, ProKart Challenge, and ProTour.
The board talks about our great relationship with MG America, yet they let half of the club merge over to Mojos for the Rotax series (Which they say is not a club event)... But they wont even CONSIDER another MG deal....
Now we have to deal with another couple years of the membership's bitterness at a board and a president who have made a VERY bad decision for the future of Phoenix Kart Racing Association. |
Stewart ,calm down,you're sounding bitter!
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Stacey Cook
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:10 am Post subject: SKUSA |
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| Not really sure what happened but I will say when we worked out our deal with Tom for the Summer Nats it took about 10 minutes. Tom and Stan both have always done exactly what they said they would do. |
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Stewart Willis
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I am bitter that this deal was done.. No doubt I am pissed.
Who benefits from this deal? One person. That is it. It hurts the membership immensely. It will cost at least ten of its members Thousands of additional dollars.
It makes no sense. Justify it... Your board has a fiduciary duty to ME. That duty was breached. When I screamed out about this, I was banned by your forums admin. So, I brought it here.
Like PJ Jones said, we want both deals laid on the table Monday night and explained.. I am out of town. So, we need this meeting broadcasted for everyone to hear.
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Bernie Lacotta
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:29 am Post subject: Re: SKUSA |
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| Stacey Cook wrote: | | Not really sure what happened but I will say when we worked out our deal with Tom for the Summer Nats it took about 10 minutes. Tom and Stan both have always done exactly what they said they would do. |
Track tire contract involved? Just asking.
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Will Jadiker
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What the #%*#& ??!!! I've already booked and paid for my travel to Phoenix for this. I couldn't understand when the schedule was first released why pkc (south) was even going to Phoenix in the first place being it's not the Pro Tour but whatever. I don't know the inner workings of how the schedules made up and I'm sure it's not easy but phoenix? I'm just sayin.
I guess now I have an excuse to run the pro tour now that my travels paid for. |
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Steve Buckner
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Why did MG make a new tire with SKUSA marked on it. HUMMMMMMMM, So no one could show up with yellows that where bought from someone else.
Long term not short dude. Greed has cost pkc south and north some great tracks to race on. Soon you will have to go to Arizona to find a track that will go with your options. JMO> |
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Jimmy McNeil
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| The Nicest tracks in SoCal are on the PKC schedule. |
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Chris Fosso
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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i just throw my hands up...
if (and its a big if) its all about tires....and who is making the money on them,fine.
if PKRA wanted to be "different" then all the other SKUSA venues...(since their seems to be no issues like this at all of the other venues i have raced at with SKUSA for last few years)
and does not want someone else making money on the tires..fine.....just add a few bucks on (somewhere) to cover the greed factor.....jeez.
how much could it be per person>?.. id pay....just so i could race at home with my SOCal buddies... instead of calling off the whole thing.. and driving back to cal ...(and i will)
to me its retarded...
i always hated dumb ass politics at PKRA.. and now even more so...
i have not raced a club event at home for a while....and i actually was thinking about it again ...to race with some of my local buddies..
especially because i just got a text a few nights before all this stuff saying we were going to be allowed to run MG whites on a few weekends before prokart events in phoenix.. so much for that
PKRA can keep their freaking yellows... and <biting tongue>
ill stick with prokart....... they have done what they have said..and met and exceeded all my expectations...with venues,track time,scheduling,number of racers at events, and more...
worth the drive to cal for no freaking BS, and more fun
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