Karting too advanced for its' own good?

Kyle Prokup · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:27 am Post subject: Re: Back to basics karting

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Billy Smith · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:11 pm Post subject:

Greg Wright · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:23 pm Post subject:

I reckon that was an apology and I'm happy to accept it.

One little point though, where did I say used to be?
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joseph hollinger · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:50 pm Post subject:

Oscar Aguilera · Joined: 18 Jul 2001 Posts: 1614

back to what ted started....

no ted i dont think we want to or should go back to the more simple way of karting. as for the truck a tool box and a kart...i still do that at the local track. but it is way easier with a trailer.

what some of you guys arent getting (or maybe you are) is that karting at any level without a restrictor is very physical. i imagine some of you worried about the whole "scary fast" thing havent driven a kart at speed for any legnth of laps to get any where near the front of the gird??? maybe im wrong?

if you are just a little over weight and over 25ish...you will get tired long before you get scared in either a tag or a shifter......if anything scares you it will be the point that you notice you are too tired to turn the wheel and you have to slow down or you will crash or crash into someone.

harder tires take some of the physicality away since the g forces go down. and if you are slow...you will still be slow on hard tires...you just wont get tired as soon. to me it doesnt matter which kart takes more skill to drive...one with soft tires or one with hard tires.

just my opinion

Jeff DeMello · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:41 pm Post subject:

Oscar Aguilera · Joined: 18 Jul 2001 Posts: 1614

im going to assume you are not over weight? you raced on a sprint track when you were in shape...or you raced on hard tires...im no dumbass and i dont think my statement is that far off.

and without calling you out and/or trying to be mean....if the driver is slow....they wont get tired.

i am 46..have been racing since i was 18. and as a former college distance runner i have some natural stamina.

and road racing is much less physical than sprint...even though you said mostly sprint....you might be in that small percenatage of guys that has experience of tuning the kart and not fighting it so much.

sorry i didnt really say that i was focusing on new guys.

drive a shifter with mg yellows at a high rate of speed...in the texas heat or somewhere hot...and most guys your age are toast! good for you if you are not that guy.

i would think if you have raced that long you would see the other drivers very tired and sometimes on track making a ton of mistakes because of them being tired to the point that they pull off.

Jeff DeMello · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:58 pm Post subject:

Oscar I'm 6'1" and 220 lbs on a diet again Crying or Very sad

to get to 200lbs. I am not slow or the fastest and you can call me out.. I have raced all over the country. Just ask.. Yes road racing is much easier on my old bones but in a tight race adrenaline going I could race all day..
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Billy Smith · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:27 pm Post subject:

Chris Hurst · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:39 pm Post subject:

Oscar Aguilera · Joined: 18 Jul 2001 Posts: 1614

the average guy getting into karting doesnt fit your description. and 220 at 6 1 can be lean and ready to whip ass...or a little flabby?

for you to race as long and all over as you state...and then call my statement "dumbass" is a little extreme even if you consider that some drivers on the pro tour said they were tired and it was visible to the spectators on occassion.

if you raced the pmt back in the day...im sure you saw me there...your name is fimiliar but not sure if i just see it on here

at 5'7" and 165# im am only a match for you in the kart or out running you on foot... Very Happy

i dont get tired but i try to stay in shape.

so the point i was trying to make is that karting needs to stick to having nice facilities, an announcer, stands, a pa system, some good food, and free to watch.

as for the karts..i would like to see less stuff on them....the karts of the past were fast with crappy tires and small tubed chassis for the most part. lap times were faster than today in some cases...but it takes more physically to control a heavier kart and tires can make it more difficult if they are soft.

when some newbies think they can just go buy the best stuff and be up front....even with a paid tuner to speed the learning curve...they still have to man the wheel. karting at a lower entry price...is like someone asking to buy a formula car with some power and expecting to do well, or just keep up with the pack.

i think karting is more physical than most formula cars and you end up doing most of the work yourself in a kart.

and with the way a kart works...i dont believe you will ever make it a sport that is easily entered into AND keeps drivers around any longer than they are by making any changes to the current list of classes, besides the tires and keeping a TAG style class all the time....and having less classes.

so of all these IMO points...the only ones we can see a possible change in ...is which tires the club/track you race at uses.

my thoughts on having a class for a kart that is marketed at a sams/walmart/sears...is something i even threw at murley. take a briggs kart with nice bumpers (similar to what we use now) and sell the crap out of them. have 10 at the track and raffle a race to 10 lucky spectators. i would let anyone bring there own kart to enter if the motor was teched and sealed. just a plain old kart to let someone have fun ...like a rental kart...but you get to buy your own.

if the kart had SKUSA logos on it with the web site and pamphlet to real kart racing and the thing sold??? you would have a market of future drivers and or more karts out there.

just a thought and this isnt the first time i have posted it. but if karting moved sku's then karting could get a sponsor other than a race shop or importer.

Jeff DeMello · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:54 pm Post subject:

Chris. I wish I could have ridden that good to do what you did.. I lived in Lancaster Ca for a year in 1986 -7 and I would start in Palmdale go thru angles forest to the Rock Store and back.. I thought I was fast until some group of kids would go blowing by me like I was standing still Shocked

I was on my new back then 900 Ninja.. I remember I think it was Boquet Canyon ?. Rode that a bunch of times..

Joe you live only once so go for the gusto.. Some guys think we are nuts racing in a group o 5-10 kart pack at 110+mph
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Chris Hurst · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:01 pm Post subject:

joseph hollinger · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:22 pm Post subject:

Chris Hurst · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:37 pm Post subject: