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John Matthews
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I was racing my Invader in Central California when we switched over from Goodyear/Carlisle hard a$$ tires. The first session out with the new Bridgestones I slid right off the track from the mold release agent that slicked the outsides of them. Pushed back and restarted, then was real careful while they got up to temp. Once I got them working it was like "man, this thing is on rails." This was back in the days of ground effects and I felt like I was driving an F1 car compared to what I was used to. Then I went around a hairpin on the old Lodi track and just rolled right over from the grip. Only time I ever rolled a kart and I did it all by myself 
Well, we went home and put a longer axle in and started buying new tires every other race rather than twice a season and the next year after I broke my arm on a bicycle we got out of kart racing. Man do I wish I'd stayed in it, I might have even had a shot to go professional like Scott Pruett.
Hard tires would be good for the sport but bad for the tire manufacturers. Also for people who make all the little pieces that wear out faster because they're being that much more stressed. Not saying that drivers don't like the grip but as someone else already pointed out the old karts weren't that much slower. It was just a whole lot more fun to watch a dual b-bomb kart on hard tires get through turn one than a modern shifter, those guys had mad driving skills....
As for the electric start thing lots of local tracks are finding out that the Briggs World Formula is at kind of a sweet spot as far as power and ease of use. It also doesn't tend to flood out as easily as the two strokes do and costs about half what a 125cc TaG does. They laughed at me when I brought one out to PKRA in 2006 but I think it's one of the biggest classes there now.
This whole question is a little silly because kart racing is just what we decide to make it. At least in the US where most of our tracks will run whatever classes the racers want to support. I do however think it would be easier to build new tracks and get new racers in if our facilities were smaller and the equipment easier on people's bodies and bank accounts. But, since most racing in this country is club racing those of us that want a change can volunteer for club leadership or create new clubs. That's how it was done "back in the day" afterall 
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Jim McMahon
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New tires are always an advantage, soft or hard. Of course the tread lasts longer on the harder tire but the performance difference between new and used is more to do with the specific tire than its actual softness.
I like driving on harder tires, its fun but if you think softer tires require less skill you are fooling yourself. Get offline/outta shape with harder tires, you slide some, no biggie. With softer tires you can end up bicycling and possibly breaking/cracking ribs in the process. Overtaking on softies becomes a whole new challenge. If you think soft tires make for boring racing I challenge you to checkout any Formula Super A race from the 90's and tell me its boring. If your racing is boring, it ain't the tires.
We could use a bit more simplicity alright, simplicity in the karts and simplicity in the classes. There's a lot to be said for the slower 4cycles that start with a pull cord. LO206 or Clone, choose your poison.
I would love to see more direct drive stuff but its hard to sell to the masses. TaG should be called TaP (Touch and Pray). Balance shafts help with some of these issues, but add weight.
The downside to direct drive of course is the need for a wide powerband, leading to higher RPMs and of course increased maintenace costs. Larger capacity motors with lower average RPM's might be a good way to go with this. Powervalves help too, but you are back to adding more stuff to the kart rather than simplifying it.
How about a direct drive, aircooled 150cc, piston port motor with modern collision port design and a compression release valve for easier push starting. Could be fun? Other than the release valve there's little to go wrong with it.
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| Tom Varner wrote: | SCCA reaquires a two day drivers school to get a novice or regional lisence - can't run National races untill you complete a certain numbr of regional races - (at least it used to be that way)
WKA and karting need to do the same - make new people go through a schoool and race at the club level for a perod of time before they can run a natinal race -
club racing is dying - and that is the entry point for new karters - |
We race SCCA Tom, and it is still that way.
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Brian Degulis
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| John Matthews wrote: | | Tom Varner wrote: | SCCA reaquires a two day drivers school to get a novice or regional lisence - can't run National races untill you complete a certain numbr of regional races - (at least it used to be that way)
WKA and karting need to do the same - make new people go through a schoool and race at the club level for a perod of time before they can run a natinal race -
club racing is dying - and that is the entry point for new karters - |
SCCA has the same problem as WKA. There are other organizations that will let people out on track with virtually no training, also very lax tech inspection procedures. I once went to a track where I was handed a tech sheet to fill out and sign myself. While I consider myself experienced I'm sure a trained tech official would be better at spotting potential safety problems and requiring me to fix them before going on track. IMHO, every piece of equipment allowed on any track should be safety inspected by a track official. I also like having qualified medical personnel available when I'm participating in an activity that could maim or kill me.
As long as recreational drivers are allowed to use "track days" instead of being required to sign up and race, organized racing will continue to suffer. Why go through all the trouble of having a "legal" car, getting tech inspected, paying entry fees, waiting for your session, and following the rules when you can just go out and drive whatever and whenever you want? That's what organized racing is struggling against and unfortunately this kind of motorsports activity can't build great racing drivers.
So, what I've seen happen is newer racers that would like to be competitive are slowly being pushed out of "practice" days by folks who don't want to race ever. This means that it takes them longer to get competitive, they get frustrated, and I've even seen their equipment destroyed during practice sessions by "recreational" drivers that are actually having unsanctioned races without proper track support. Most of the time there's no penalty for this since the offending driver isn't competing for points and can't be suspended from racing. Often they don't even offer to pay for the damage they caused.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying that only people who are actively racing should be allowed to run on practice days. Just that tracks are generally supported, staffed, and maintained by RACING organizations and those organizations should do whatever it takes to make sure their core mission is accomplished. Perhaps they should require all drivers to pass a driving course, have a tech inspection periodically, and work a minimum number of volunteer hours. I would certainly vote for such a rule if I was on the board of your local track.
And, if you are part of the large contingent of recreational drivers out there that use racing facilities please be considerate of racers who are trying to refine their set-up and driving during practice days. They might be going a little slower to test something, or learn a new technique so give them a little space. As has been pointed out at many drivers meetings you can't "win" practice but you sure can loose.
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If you start requiring licennsing I think many would never get into it. If you deny or restrict track use to those that have no desire to race in an organized event but simply want to have fun you might improve "racing". The problem is you might not have any place to do it because most of the tracks would go bankrupt.
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John Matthews
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"I" can't require anything.
Race facilities are either run by clubs or by private track owners. Private track owners will figure out how to make a profit or they will go away. Club owned tracks just need to attract enough participants to pay for their facilities and have a year end banquet.
All I'm suggesting is that clubs that own or lease their own facilities should do what's in the best interest of their members. If the majority of their members are track day warriors then make more track days, if the majority of members are racers make sure the race programs continue to grow.
We all have our own stories and experiences, mine starts with going racing with my dad in 1977. What I learned was not only how to drive but how to compete fairly, how to manage my time, how to deal with winning and loosing, how important community is, and the value of commitment. I suppose I could have learned those things by just driving around the track but actually competing against other drivers is what made the experience a life changing one for me.
When I got my SCCA license and started training other drivers I had a great time with the camaraderie in that organization. Unfortunately I didn't have either the money or skills to compete at a national level and that's where I saw the real competition. Ten years ago when I had the opportunity to start my kart shop I decided to do that rather than go racing myself because I wanted to compete with the best drivers I could find. What that meant for me was getting some talented young drivers and using my skills to help prepare and campaign their karts. Running my shop I had many different customers, some just wanted to drive, others wanted to race.
Me, I like racing.
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Brian Degulis
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Race facilities are either run by clubs or by private track owners. Private track owners will figure out how to make a profit or they will go away.
Right and that's my point. They have figured out that the income stream from novices and people with no desire to race keeps them going. Plus it gives you a place to acomplish all the things you mentioned above. Many on here advocate licensing or requiring that person run a certain class before moving up. That would make things better for serious competitors but it might lead to a decline in the sport and the industry in general.
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Cory Ross
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| Brian Degulis wrote: | Race facilities are either run by clubs or by private track owners. Private track owners will figure out how to make a profit or they will go away.
Right and that's my point. They have figured out that the income stream from novices and people with no desire to race keeps them going. Plus it gives you a place to acomplish all the things you mentioned above. Many on here advocate licensing or requiring that person run a certain class before moving up. That would make things better for serious competitors but it might lead to a decline in the sport and the industry in general.
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I am seeing a recuring thing here. We keep talking about the track users that have no interest in racing. That is not true they have a huge interest in racing. I am sure the majority of people that rent karts and those that own one and only drive on practice days, one of the first things disscussed when they get off track is laptimes. It is not that they have no interest in racing, racing(as we know it) is not what they are looking for. Want to get more people into racing? Think of a new format that will appeal to these karters. Would a more time trial type race draw them in? Racing side by side with some one is intimidating. Give new karters a way to develop their skills and confidense before throwign them on the track with others. Get them out on the track and when they see and feel they can run competitive laptimes they will be more encouraged to step into the current style of racing.
I can tell you one of the most intimidating things about racing is not the speed, or how technical the karts are. It is the side by side bumper to bumper racing. There is a large group of people that have no interest in doing this(one of the reasons I would never do a motocross race). Find a way for them to race without this factor and you might see an increase in active racing club members. It might not be a increase in racing for what we consider racing but more club members means everyone benefits.
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I wanted to add I have seen something like this in the sport I am coming from Mountain Biking. It used to be there was Cross Country and Downhill as the major racing disciplines. Promoters started to see they were missing the vast majority of riders when trying to attract racers. The new format of Enduro racing was born by looking at what the current non racers would like in a racing format. Once this new format came out it exploded. Is this somehting the karting world needs to look into? Are we missing the mark with our current style of racing? Track owners need to look at who is using the track and is there a new format of racing that might attract some of their current non-racing track users? Is this something that is similar at most tracks it might show how we could increase participation in this sport. |
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John Matthews
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| Brian Degulis wrote: | Race facilities are either run by clubs or by private track owners. Private track owners will figure out how to make a profit or they will go away.
Right and that's my point. They have figured out that the income stream from novices and people with no desire to race keeps them going. Plus it gives you a place to acomplish all the things you mentioned above. Many on here advocate licensing or requiring that person run a certain class before moving up. That would make things better for serious competitors but it might lead to a decline in the sport and the industry in general.
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It might lead to a decline, or it might lead to better drivers who are committed to the sport.
The poll on this thread asks about karting as it was when I was a kid. Obviously nobody can turn back the clock but I can tell you that in 1978 we had a World Champion karter from the US (Lake Speed), we had an F1 World Champion from the US (Mario Andretti), and we had enough entries at the average sprint race that we usually ran an "A" and a "B" Main.
Sure a lot of things have changed since then but what hasn't changed is dads wanting quality time with their kids. Karting is a great family sport and racing can help kids who aren't good at other sports gain confidence at a critical age (this I know from first hand experience).
We don't allow 7-year-olds to run un-restricted motors because they don't have enough experience, what makes adults so different? Sure you can go buy a Ferrari, or a Ninja and drive them home but you need a license to do it.
I can tell you that completing my training and getting my SCCA novice license was a thrill and an accomplishment I'll always remember. The day I finished my third race and peeled the "N"'s off my car was another. In a sport where you're unlikely to win any races your first few years, moving up in skill recognized by an authority is an accomplishment to be proud of.
In dirt oval racing most tracks are privately owned and there's a wide variance in rules from one to another. What I've heard from folks who race dirt (and they all race since the track is only open when there's a race) is that the track owners who let the competitors call the shots are the ones that fail. The ones that are successful listen to the competitors, but put a program in place where folks can get in, get experienced, and move up when they are ready. Most don't have licensing in place but will strongly discourage novices from running open class.
Karting is a very regional sport. In Florida there might be enough karters for a track to be a profitable business but in many parts of the US kart tracks only exist because clubs operate them on a non-profit basis. Or, the owners just have a passion for the sport and are willing to put their own money into them year after year. If you don't live in a place where there are plenty of tracks to choose from your only hope is for a well run club to provide a place for you to enjoy your hobby. This is where smaller, simpler tracks, with less powerful karts might be able to help 
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TJ Koyen
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Not sure what the issue is? Why is this a topic even?
There is club racing, where you can strap any old Yamaha on, running tires that will last a season, and all you pay for is gas, entries, burgers, and beer. You're there to have fun. Not complicated.
There is national racing, where the guys go who want the best competition, are willing to spend the money, and don't mind hunting for every last tenth.
How is karting too complicated? Maybe it's regional. Not sure how you do it out west or out east, but here in the midwest, there's simple Yamaha classes on hard tires, all the way up to TaG classes on softer tires at club events.
If you just want to drive around and have fun and not worry about complexity, there's plenty of opportunities in the sport.
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John Matthews
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| Cory Ross wrote: | | Brian Degulis wrote: | Race facilities are either run by clubs or by private track owners. Private track owners will figure out how to make a profit or they will go away.
Right and that's my point. They have figured out that the income stream from novices and people with no desire to race keeps them going. Plus it gives you a place to acomplish all the things you mentioned above. Many on here advocate licensing or requiring that person run a certain class before moving up. That would make things better for serious competitors but it might lead to a decline in the sport and the industry in general.
Brian |
I am seeing a recuring thing here. We keep talking about the track users that have no interest in racing. That is not true they have a huge interest in racing. I am sure the majority of people that rent karts and those that own one and only drive on practice days, one of the first things disscussed when they get off track is laptimes. It is not that they have no interest in racing, racing(as we know it) is not what they are looking for. Want to get more people into racing? Think of a new format that will appeal to these karters. Would a more time trial type race draw them in? Racing side by side with some one is intimidating. Give new karters a way to develop their skills and confidense before throwign them on the track with others. Get them out on the track and when they see and feel they can run competitive laptimes they will be more encouraged to step into the current style of racing.
I can tell you one of the most intimidating things about racing is not the speed, or how technical the karts are. It is the side by side bumper to bumper racing. There is a large group of people that have no interest in doing this(one of the reasons I would never do a motocross race). Find a way for them to race without this factor and you might see an increase in active racing club members. It might not be a increase in racing for what we consider racing but more club members means everyone benefits.
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I wanted to add I have seen something like this in the sport I am coming from Mountain Biking. It used to be there was Cross Country and Downhill as the major racing disciplines. Promoters started to see they were missing the vast majority of riders when trying to attract racers. The new format of Enduro racing was born by looking at what the current non racers would like in a racing format. Once this new format came out it exploded. Is this somehting the karting world needs to look into? Are we missing the mark with our current style of racing? Track owners need to look at who is using the track and is there a new format of racing that might attract some of their current non-racing track users? Is this something that is similar at most tracks it might show how we could increase participation in this sport. |
SCCA already offers it.
http://www.scca.com/solo/content.cfm?cid=44509
Kids usually run KT100 or World Formula, adults can run shifters.
I believe it's a good recruiting tool for other forms of SCCA racing so maybe WKA or somebody could look into doing some kind of time trial thing. But, they already have so many different programs going it could be tough.
For sure wheel to wheel is intimidating. That's why so many of us advocate lower powered karts for novices, it lowers the stakes and lets folks ease into racing from just practicing if they like.
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Brian Degulis
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John I don't think there's any doubt it would lead to better drivers that are more commited and maybe it's regional but I don't think there would be enough of them to justify the existance of most tracks. I have a DD2 and 2 shifters. I'm not ready to race a shifter but I'd love to race the DD2. There are alot of them in this area but most are owned by middle age guys with no desire to race for several reasons. They don't want to have to be at a certain place at a certain time. They don't want to deal with tech. They don't want to deal with the egos. They simply want to go down to the local track pay $50 and race against the clock for the day. The most active track in my imediate area doesn'r race at all but you can go there Tuesday thru Saturday 9-5 pay $50 and use the track. Or a monthly fee and use the track as much as you like. Without that place I never would have gotten back into karting. I plan to race and my kids are racing but the convienance of a cheap accesible minimul rules track to use to tweek your equiptment and practice is very important to me and I think many others.
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Rob Kozakowski
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How is karting too complicated? Maybe it's regional. Not sure how you do it out west or out east, but here in the midwest, there's simple Yamaha classes on hard tires, all the way up to TaG classes on softer tires at club events.
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Rob Kozakowski
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When I talk "hard" tires, I mean the types that might gain you 0.1-0.2 seconds going to a new set from a set with half a season or more on them - the last thing I remember running like that was the Dunlop SL3 in the early 90's.
There's just as much skill required with hard or soft tires. And the racing can be just as good (or bad) either way.
The difference is there is much more driver knowledge (i.e. seat time required to learn how to tune a chassis) with softer tires.
Softer tires are great at the higher levels - it makes for more "rounded" drivers because it's not just natural talent that is required - smarts play a huge role. If you're off on chassis setup, virtually no driver can make up for it.
Harder tires are great at the lower levels - chassis setup (and all the costs that can go into all the related variables, including having a newer chassis all the time) is much less important, which makes it easier for a naturally gifted driver to just hop in and go and be relatively competitive. If you're off on chassis setup, a good driver can still compete.
The reality is it's not the cost of the tires themselves that is the biggest cost of going to soft tires. It's the cost of extra seat time to learn how to tune (huge cost), the cost of extra axles, hubs, wheels, etc. to tune with, the cost of a newer chassis that will respond in a predictable manner to adjustments, etc. |
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John Matthews
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| Brian Degulis wrote: | John I don't think there's any doubt it would lead to better drivers that are more commited and maybe it's regional but I don't think there would be enough of them to justify the existance of most tracks. I have a DD2 and 2 shifters. I'm not ready to race a shifter but I'd love to race the DD2. There are alot of them in this area but most are owned by middle age guys with no desire to race for several reasons. They don't want to have to be at a certain place at a certain time. They don't want to deal with tech. They don't want to deal with the egos. They simply want to go down to the local track pay $50 and race against the clock for the day. The most active track in my imediate area doesn'r race at all but you can go there Tuesday thru Saturday 9-5 pay $50 and use the track. Or a monthly fee and use the track as much as you like. Without that place I never would have gotten back into karting. I plan to race and my kids are racing but the convienance of a cheap accesible minimul rules track to use to tweek your equiptment and practice is very important to me and I think many others.
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Sure wish I had a track like that around here
I hope you understand I'm not trying to say people shouldn't be allowed to just practice if that's all they want to do. I just don't think karting can survive as just a recreational pastime without organized racing. I also happen to think that modern 125cc karts are fast enough to be pretty dangerous in untrained hands, but maybe that's just me.
Motorsports facilities of all types are under pressure from economic, environmental and development pressures and without new tracks sprint karting will only be available in a few areas around the country fairly soon.
The question in this thread is really about how sprint karting can survive in smaller markets. TJ happens to live in Wisconsin where there are a few pretty good club tracks, on this side of Lake Michigan our choices are more limited. The state of Michigan currently has zero WKA master tracks and only 3 sprint tracks, none of which are suitable for shifters. When I lived in Arizona I had a choice of two sprint tracks in the whole state, only one with a real race program at the time. These are both pretty populous states so why is karting so much less accessible than many other forms of motorsport?
I started another thread about how to get a track built in my town. There might be someone with land that's interested but there's no way I can tell them there's enough recreational karters to pay for a facility like your local track around here. For it to get done at all it'll have to be a small track focused on club racing and having it open 60 hours a week so us middle aged guys can race against the clock probably won't be an option.
We've kinda beat this thread to death, obviously majority of folks on this thread wouldn't be interested in racing simpler karts on smaller tracks. I happen to think that's a shame because we're at a point in karting now where local clubs all over the country could be racing clones in parking lots and growing our sport like mad.
JMHO,
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Cory Ross
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| Brian Degulis wrote: | John I don't think there's any doubt it would lead to better drivers that are more commited and maybe it's regional but I don't think there would be enough of them to justify the existance of most tracks. I have a DD2 and 2 shifters. I'm not ready to race a shifter but I'd love to race the DD2. There are alot of them in this area but most are owned by middle age guys with no desire to race for several reasons. They don't want to have to be at a certain place at a certain time. They don't want to deal with tech. They don't want to deal with the egos. They simply want to go down to the local track pay $50 and race against the clock for the day. The most active track in my imediate area doesn'r race at all but you can go there Tuesday thru Saturday 9-5 pay $50 and use the track. Or a monthly fee and use the track as much as you like. Without that place I never would have gotten back into karting. I plan to race and my kids are racing but the convienance of a cheap accesible minimul rules track to use to tweek your equiptment and practice is very important to me and I think many others.
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This is the exact situation I am talking about. I think there might be a bit to much focus on new karters or buying different equipment to save the sport. Why not go after the people that already have the equipment? The hard part is already done they have a a kart and are driving them, now is there some way to get them in a race series? If they love to practice and run against the clock what is the best way to re create this in a organized race that would appeal to them?
Another thing about the economy not being as strong as it was, people are careful about money now(actually a good thing). They do things like look at a race entry price vs actual driving time. This is a huge reason attendance at downhill mountain bikes races has been cut in almost half. People just do not see any value in the cost of the race vs how long they actually ride. The same could be said for a kart race. You enter the race and for the price you pay what do you get in return? Is there a way to change racing to give people more seat time for the price of their entry fee? Change the rules all you want and if they do not see value in the entry fee vs track time they will not enter. Being new to karting this will play a big role in how often I race. I am going to race but how often depends on how much track time I get vs how much $ I spend. Do I spend $40 and get a couple heats and a main or $40 and get as many laps in a day as I want? I will still spend the same on fuel and tires etc but it is will I race or just practice(race the clock). With things like the MyChron now you do not need to show up to a race to get things like laptimes and such. |
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