SUPERKARTS TO DAYTONA

JIM BRANNON · Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:40 am Post subject: SUPERKARTS TO DAYTONA

Who will be going to Daytona to run unlimited I and II.
Mark Croslyn and I are ready and waiting. Come on
USSK guys. The WKA is the only show in town in December,
for the East side guys. so get signed up and lets go racing.
Hope to see all my friends in beautiful sunny Daytona Beach .
Jim Brannon
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Darryl Bertram · Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:48 pm Post subject: Daytona for Aussies

Taylor and I have been thinking of doing this so if you guys are going we are in!!
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Brian Wilhelm · Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:00 pm Post subject: !!

Ok 250 guys, what else are you going to do in December?? Daytona is always a blast, load 'em up and come on down!
Looking forward to seeing all my racing friends in Florida.
6 weeks to go Shocked

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Bobby Butler · Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:16 pm Post subject: Daytona

Been signed up, and ready to go. Just need to stop by the super cajun meat market and get the "hot" stuff! Laughing

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JIM BRANNON · Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:04 pm Post subject:

Johnny West, Mark Croslyn. Bobby Butler, Darryl Bertram, Taylor Bertram, Jim Brannon, are committed to go down to run fun in the sun and chase Brian and his little 125. Come on guys, Let us hear from the fast class to see who is the fastest of the fast. This is the best place in the world to find out who is really (The Man). Come on West Coast Guys. I know we can turn out 30 or more guys for the fast class.
Jim
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Doug Newhouse · Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:52 pm Post subject:

Anyone got an update, who made it, how fast, good racing, who won???

Brian Wilhelm · Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 4:09 pm Post subject: ?

Doug, not a lot of 250's. Unlimited I had 7-10 entries, Unlimited II had 12-15 entries. The fastest 250 was in the 2:01's I think. The winning time was 1:59.79 in Unlimited I, and 2:00.1 in Unlimited II. I don't understand why more 250's don't show up at Daytone. Johnny West and Jim Brannon hooked up in the draft and turned 1:58's (maybe even 1:57's) a few years back. Dokken had a really quick 250 a couiple of years ago, and Croslyn has been fast there. A sharp 250 will turn 1:59's with no drafting help, so we could have a really good race.
My 125 laydown makes really good power for a 125, but it's really aero that gets you going fast at Daytona. Jim Brannon and I had a killer race a couple of years ago. He could tear me up in the infield, but I could always pass him back on top end.
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Doug Newhouse · Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 5:16 pm Post subject:

thanks for the update Brian,

I see the enduro guys are not all that happy with the race coverage either.

I hope you justify the jump to a 250.

from here the frontal area differences between a lay down 125 / unlimited and the 250 is the issue. The 250 need their own class, if a slippery lay down (no disrespect I love them) can our run a 250 at a place like Daytona its too much for the ego to take and is confusing to the spectator - potential new karter!

I'd think that taking the wings off and working on the profile would increase the speeds but then that would further alienate / segment the class.

just my 2 cents but I really think we need to work on identity and not bunching us all together. Growing both classes is the key.

Brian Wilhelm · Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 6:43 pm Post subject: ?

Doug, IMO, the Unlimited class has always been the "mixing pot" for different ideas. 125, 250, laydown, situp, dual 100's, dual 125's, etc., all make it fun.
It's a strong formula. Harper with his dual 125's has turned 1:59's, some 250 superkarts have turned 1:59's, and laydown 125's have turned 1:59's. Pretty even and competitive class. Short tracks like Barber, the 250's turn 8-10 seconds faster laptimes, but hey, going in I know that when I sign up for Unlimited.
With all respect, I don't think creating an "identity" for one class will help. 250's need karting, and karting needs 250's. A few years ago, a driver (NOT a 250 guy) posted that "it was his goal to get his class the recognition it deserved". Classes will get the recognition when it's earned. I remember very well the USSK race on Sunday at the WKA Road Atlanta event in 2006 or 2007. Literally everybody went to the fence and stayed there for the entire race. There was a "buzz" in the entire pits before that race. That is exactly where the US Superkart scene needs to get back to. If it heads that way, I'm in. If it heads toward the support type race thing for car or motorcycle events, no way.
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Bobby Butler · Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 8:57 pm Post subject: Daytona

Friday....warm and sunny in the 70's. Great day for practice.

Saturday cloudy and rain early, much cooler in 40's early then high 60's afternoon. All races were shortened and done by 5 or so.

Sunday a little cooler and cloudy. Full day of racing done by 4pm.

Only 3 superkarts made the race. Jim Brannon, Mark Croslyn and myself.
Brannons cr couldn't keep the pace and Mark had transmission issues with his PVP/PVP. Therefore just making laps worked for easy wins sat and Sunday. Second overall sat and I believe 3rd overall Sunday. My Anderson/PVP proved reliable finishing both days although ran out of fuel last lap. Good racing for 2nd thru 4th both days. A lot of passing, drafting. Wish more of you could have made it down for the race!
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James Ingram · Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: ?

[quote="Brian Wilhelm"]Doug, not a lot of 250's. Unlimited I had 7-10 entries, Unlimited II had 12-15 entries. The fastest 250 was in the 2:01's I think. The winning time was 1:59.79 in Unlimited I, and 2:00.1 in Unlimited II. I don't understand why more 250's don't show up at Daytone.

Can't speak for anyone else, but the dates will prevent me from making it to race. Would love to do it, but my Christmas week is spent with the family.
Happy New Year
JI

Doug Newhouse · Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:52 am Post subject:

Thanks for the update Bobby, look forward to running with you at some point this season.

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This is a copy of Mylaps when Randy Johnson rented my spare 250. He and I ran nose to tail. It was a good run.
I was 156.3 Randy was 156.6

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Results of WKA Dunlop Tire Nationals - Daytona - Day 1 - Race 4 - Unlimited/250 Twin/B Stock/Formula 125/Formula 100

World Karting AssociationDate Dec 28, 2003 9:00:00 PM
Track Daytona Intl Speedway (3.55 km)
Event WKA Dunlop Tire Nationals - Daytona - Day 1
Group Race 4
Best Lap Tm 1:56.365
In Lap 7
Best Speed 109.827
by Johnny West

Classification Show results by class Pos No. Name Laps Total time Diff Best time In lap Best speed

1 2 Greg Trimmer 22 46:46.513 2:02.526 4 104.304
2 51 Mike Spear Jr. 22 47:03.556 17.043 2:04.029 3 103.040
3 60 Scott Fiesler 22 47:20.951 34.438 2:03.953 4 103.104
4 59 Brian Wilhelm 22 47:26.068 39.555 2:04.177 4 102.918
5 31 Randy Fulks 22 47:26.527 40.014 2:05.951 7 101.468
6 33 Jim Farr 21 45:53.105 --1 Lap-- 2:07.341 3 100.360
7 7 Randy Domikis 21 46:30.629 37.524 2:04.404 6 102.730
8 11 David Kolleda 21 46:57.815 1:04.710 2:07.678 19 100.096
9 54 Todd Behrens 21 46:59.379 1:06.274 2:09.089 5 99.001
10 63 Don Bootes 21 47:03.060 1:09.955 2:08.579 14 99.394
11 32 Robby Harper 21 47:11.348 1:18.243 2:10.264 7 98.108
12 15 Kenneth Deutsch 21 47:19.643 1:26.538 2:11.654 15 97.073
13 37 Aaron Griffith 21 47:45.520 1:52.415 2:10.800 19 97.706
14 16 Carl Goutell 20 45:53.008 --2 Laps-- 2:12.098 14 96.746
15 56 Robert Lawson 20 46:03.193 10.185 2:12.399 5 96.526
16 34 Ken Forsha 20 46:04.707 11.699 2:12.481 17 96.467
17 67 Harry West 20 46:25.964 32.956 2:13.646 18 95.626
18 57 Frank Moscone 20 46:58.764 1:05.756 2:11.883 15 96.904
19 39 Charlie Gall 20 46:59.183 1:06.175 2:11.942 17 96.861
20 71 Mike K. Spear 20 47:18.601 1:25.593 2:16.632 4 93.536
21 53 E Rory Pederson 20 47:19.985 1:26.977 2:16.810 15 93.414
22 73 Michael Davis Sr. 20 47:55.022 2:02.014 2:18.257 4 92.437
23 81 Mike Helton 19 45:55.286 --3 Laps-- 2:19.482 3 91.625
24 97 Milo Schoonover 19 45:59.909 4.623 2:17.185 14 93.159
25 40 Allen Cox 19 46:30.382 35.096 2:15.238 4 94.500
26 98 Travis Miller 19 46:32.850 37.564 2:21.307 19 90.441
27 82 Kerry Yunck 19 47:10.493 1:15.207 2:22.628 12 89.604
28 61 Kyle Schreiber 19 47:27.152 1:31.866 2:19.010 15 91.936
29 83 Jennifer Ferriera 19 47:46.945 1:51.659 2:23.946 3 88.783
30 80 Ellis Quinn 19 47:59.169 2:03.883 2:24.848 15 88.230
31 94 Brian Morse 18 43:40.811 --4 Laps-- 2:20.140 12 91.195
32 74 Bill Miller 18 46:22.117 2:41.306 2:21.641 16 90.228
33 86 Gary Mikusch 18 46:51.731 3:10.920 2:30.196 6 85.089
34 93 David Norville 18 47:04.147 3:23.336 2:30.710 7 84.799
35 42 Laurence Metzler 18 48:27.917 4:47.106 2:28.298 16 86.178
36 36 Jimmy Simmons 17 40:15.508 --5 Laps-- 2:14.901 3 94.736
37 111 Johnny West 16 32:11.080 --6 Laps-- 1:56.365 7 109.827
38 112 Randy Johnson 16 32:12.922 1.842 1:56.642 2 109.566
39 95 David McCauley 16 45:44.066 13:32.986 2:43.178 13 78.319
40 52 Darrin Cuthbertson 15 34:12.405 --7 Laps-- 2:10.311 4 98.073
41 79 Kevin Kann 15 37:07.419 2:55.014 2:20.780 13 90.780
42 118 Gary Peterson 12 26:20.841 --10 Laps-- 2:06.425 6 101.088
43 91 Mike Hickey 12 29:01.922 2:41.081 2:16.920 8 93.339
44 62 Scott Frost 9 22:20.008 --13 Laps-- 2:19.547 6 91.582
45 35 Robby Harper III 8 18:31.810 --14 Laps-- 2:09.099 3 98.994
46 66 Craig West 8 19:53.728 1:21.918 2:18.639 8 92.182
47 6 Joe Galyon 7 15:52.781 --15 Laps-- 2:07.963 2 99.873
48 3 Jim Brannon 7 16:29.942 37.161 2:08.045 3 99.809
49 114 George Sunderland 6 15:01.847 --16 Laps-- 2:21.485 5 90.328
50 38 David Sarsycki 5 15:50.978 --17 Laps-- 2:20.438 5 91.001
51 117 Marc Croslyn II 4 9:27.391 --18 Laps-- 2:08.290 4 99.618
52 76 Scott Campbell 4 10:54.553 1:27.162 2:22.065 3 89.959
53 119 Bryan Kolleda 3 8:25.684 --19 Laps-- 2:28.296 3 86.179
54 43 C Brad Price 2 5:50.724 --20 Laps-- 2:25.523 2 87.821
55 72 Pierre Huang 2 5:59.337 8.613 2:15.489 2 94.325
56 84 Mike Fischer 2 6:16.922 26.198 2:31.844 2 84.165
57 96 Gerhard Sojka 2 43:24.877 37:34.153 3:00.626 2 70.754
58 17 Donald Brown 1 2:59.634 --21 Laps-- --:--:--.--- - -
59 77 Dan Stowell 1 3:44.676 45.042 --:--:--.--- - -
60 65 Gene Davis 1 5:08.528 2:08.894 --:--:--.--- - -
61 87 Jay Hillmer 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -
62 120 Bryan Kupper 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -
63 44 Brian Zwart 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -
DNS 4 Jason Slahor 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -
DNS 10 Jon Bruner 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -
DNS 58 Donald Engebretsen 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -
DNS 85 Craig Lawence 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -
DNS 92 Mark Schaberg 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -
DNS 113 J.R. Osborne 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -
DNS 115 Greg Stamm 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -
DQ 9 Brad Davis 14 31:10.313 2:07.707 3 100.073
DQ 68 Roger Reetz 11 30:19.678 2:34.188 4 82.886
DQ 41 Johnny Howard 6 13:44.028 2:06.467 6 101.054
DQ 89 William Groth 4 11:12.476 2:24.352 3 88.534
DQ 64 Wil Bruner 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -
DQ 88 Bill Kassy 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -
DQ 53 Mark Croslyn 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -
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Brian Wilhelm · Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:44 pm Post subject: ?

Thanks for posting Johnny! It's always fun to look at good numbers.
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Bobby Butler · Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:06 pm Post subject: Daytona

The older I get, the faster I was!

How about a call out for all of the fast guys and the sharp 250's, as Brien calls them. Here's a years notice to get your act together and meet at Daytona for the big show. We'll all register and run the unlimited class and no more excuses or b.s...any takers?
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