Box Stock Clone Whats the deal?

Brian Degulis · Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:11 pm Post subject: Box Stock Clone Whats the deal?

My 15 year old is wanting to get into racing. "box stock is popular at one of our local tracks. (Fort Meyers FL Race Complex) 4 stroke is new to me so maybe you guys can clear some things up.

Is box stock a Honda GX 200 stock engine?

Is a clone a chinese copy of a GX 200?

Why use the clone instead of a Honda?

What modifications are allowed in box stock?

Thanks

Brian

Jeff Stamper · Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:48 pm Post subject:

Try here. It will keep you busy a while but you will learn a lot

http://karting.4cycle.com/forumdisplay.php?f=71
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Brian Degulis · Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:54 pm Post subject:

I've been there and came here for clarity.

Brian

David Cole · Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:27 pm Post subject:

Hi Brian,

Looking at the track website, they follow WKA rules for Box Stock. If you can get your hands on a tech manual, you will see the exact rules for Box Stock. Yes, it is the 'Clone' engines, or the china copy of the GX 200. It's a great way to get yourself into the sport if you haven't been part of it before. The other tip is to find a local kart shop to set you in the right direction. I'm not familiar with the kart shops in the area.
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Brian Degulis · Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:49 am Post subject:

Thanks David I'll find those rules. I've talked with some shops and they're telling me to set up a clone and make it competive around $700 so not a lot of money for a kart engine. What I'm not understanding is why everyone is starting with a Chinese copy and not a real Honda? The stock Honda is around $350 the stock clone around $200 so not a big diffrence in cost. I wonder if the aftermarket parts to make it competive are made for the clone and not the Honda?

Brian

John Pennington · Joined: 29 Jan 2010 Posts: 33

5 years ago the intent with the clone was to buy one at Harbor Freight for $149.00, spend $75.00 on basic needed upgrades and go racing on the cheap.
Racers being racers and all, it now takes a new $600-$700 motor to compete at the front. You are entering the sport after the clone engine has evolved into what it is. Kart shops started blueprinting them which added cost and horsepower.
Your logic as to why they are pricier than they need to be is correct. We are so far into the game now that there is no going back.
Heres my advice:
Go buy the nicest newest most blueprinted legal clone motor that you can. Bolt it to the kart and let your kid learn to drive. When one clone kart goes faster down the straight than another one, its because of kart setup and corner speed.
Clone racing is all about momentum which makes it very fun.

Randy Balmer · Joined: 22 Oct 2012 Posts: 1

Brian, I sent you a PM

Brian Degulis · Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:11 pm Post subject:

Well I set up my 12 year old with a clone. We did all the leagal modifications and ran the engine in with straight 30 wt oil for around 30 minutes. We then switched to synthetic. In the begining we started with 18/65 gearing and the kart felt sluggish and would only hit 5800 RPM on the straight. So I switched to 16/68 and it felt better and hit around 6000 RPM on the strtaight. After putting around 2 hours on it we saw more power so now we are at 16/65 and hitting 6300 RPM on the straight. now with almost 5 hours on it I also notice that compression has increased it's harder to pull start. Is this kind of break in normall on a clone? I feel like at this point we can probably go back to 18/65 gearing and see what we get?

My kids having a blast and getting very good it. His times are normally equal to or better than other clones on the track and we haven't tweeked the chassis yet or completly sorted out the jetting.

I have to say for the money involved and the simplicity this Box Stock is a great starting point. It's hard to beat the bang for the buck.

Brian

al nunley · Joined: 13 Nov 2006 Posts: 3037

Look at a ratio chart and you will see that one tooth on the engine equals very near 4 teeth on the axle. It changes a little the higher and the lower the ratio.
Send for my free Excel spreadsheet. There is a lot of good ratio information and a bunch of other stuff.
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Brian Degulis · Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:24 pm Post subject:

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Brian

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A few years back I participated in a thread where I offered to sell somebody something and Rob Howden asked me not to do it unless I was paying for advertising space. I've had the good fortune to meet Rob a few times and really believe in what he does with the site and the sport in general.

So, I sent Mr. Pine a PM and called his posts spam. I've been exchanging information and ideas on the Internet since 1995 and I'm pretty protective of the places I contribute to. Hopefully 2013 is the year I can start advertising kart stuff again and you can bet my advertising dollars will go to EKN first.

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Brian Degulis · Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:06 am Post subject:

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Brian