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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ace, are you by chance related to Caesar?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's obvious he's Caesar's DAD!! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike Goebel wrote:
It's obvious he's Caesar's DAD!! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clark I ran both sprint and RR and like them both. I prefer sprint racing and thats the reason for what I have built!
I agreed early on in this thread about cost but simplicity? What could be easier than thumb buttons etc?
Again, i know these are not F1's or close to it but why should we be forced to live in the past? If the technology is available, I feel it should be used! If more did, the prices would/could drop! Look at any new electronic gizmo! Very high until they are circulated then the prices drop!
All im saying is, I think the rules should be a little more lenient to allow the hobby to move forward!
And 12-1500 bucks is NOT that costly when you compare what we BOTH used to pay for a McCullough vs TM, pavessi, Seven or even a Honda!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heck lets impose no limits!!!




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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:48 pm    Post subject: ! Reply with quote

Mike Goebel wrote:
Heck lets impose no limits!!!




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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be rough drafting with that guy
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ace Rossi wrote:
Clark I ran both sprint and RR and like them both. I prefer sprint racing and thats the reason for what I have built!
I agreed early on in this thread about cost but simplicity? What could be easier than thumb buttons etc?
Again, i know these are not F1's or close to it but why should we be forced to live in the past? If the technology is available, I feel it should be used! If more did, the prices would/could drop! Look at any new electronic gizmo! Very high until they are circulated then the prices drop!
All im saying is, I think the rules should be a little more lenient to allow the hobby to move forward!
And 12-1500 bucks is NOT that costly when you compare what we BOTH used to pay for a McCullough vs TM, pavessi, Seven or even a Honda!


IMO, probably the best electronic shifter system available in terms of design & implementation is the Mechatron, but its expensive, & the inherent complexity means even it will require maintenance & still be prone to failure. Small, moving parts take a beating, break, & require replacement. It's more on the "to-do" list. Is it worth it? If mechanical or e-shifters really were that much of an improvement over the bump shifter, they probably would've become defacto by now. I think on this issue, the rules tend to reflect what the "masses" have wanted, rather than the other way around.

That said, if you want to get one then go ahead. As mentioned numerous times, they are allowed in KZ1 & similar type classes. Pretty sure that if you bring your money, your local track will let you run it along side moto/KZ2 drivers, though you'll be classified separately. Just do whatever you want.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ignition interupt eliminates the need to come of the gas while shifting. Costs around $25



Ratax DD2 paddle shifter probably around $300 to adapt to ICC or Moto

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice setup Brian. How many iterations does it take to get the interrupt timed properly to work if you need to change the engine position do to a gear change?


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know. I put it on not knowing it it was not allowed then played around with it and it worked great very fast easy shifting you might be surprised how much time you gain. Then I think it was you that pointed out that it's not allowed so there was no point in even practicing with it. The switch has a threaded collar so after you got it set right you'd just have to adjust it and maintain the same distance from the shift lever to comensate for engine movement.

I don't really see much advantage to the paddle shifter. It's controled with 2 cables so there is some resistance and you have to hit it pretty hard to know your in. When the ordinary shift lever is adjusted right it's easy enough.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Checked with the locals and the consensus is IF anyone showed up at a local event with any after market type shifter, chances are for a club race they would not be turned away so I ordered one to play around with! I think the one im getting does not have an interupt! It is all air!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

let us know how you like it...
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ace Rossi wrote:
I think the one im getting does not have an interupt! It is all air!


Kinda of pointless if it isn't shift on the fly....

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why, I dont lift at all now!
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