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Jim Turner
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 Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:04 pm Post subject: Dive Bomb pass |
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How would you describe this move? I don't mean, good, bad or legal.
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Joseph Johnson
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:33 pm Post subject: Divebomb |
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| Hey Jim at BrokeBack there is nothing there to see |
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Jason Lee
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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I would describe it as passing on the inside when the person being passed gets butt hurt.
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TJ Koyen
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Jason Lee wrote: | | I would describe it as passing on the inside when the person being passed gets butt hurt. |
Perfect definition.
Something along the lines of:
When you make a late, aggressive, fast attempt at an overtake. If you come away cleanly, it's awesome. If you bounce off the guy, it's up to his discretion if the pass was okay. If you run the guy over, you're going to look like an idiot.
See also "hero move".
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Vernon Head
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| It's the last resort of a slow driver trying to beat a fast driver. |
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Michael Knauf
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It is the only way to pass if you are overweight or underpowered and you are faster in the corners.
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Chris Livengood
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Darren McDonough
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Chris Livengood wrote: | | I see guys with lesser skills throwing down dive bombs most often. |
Also see fewer "self-funded" guys trying this move.  |
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Justin Martin
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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Truthfully this is quite silly.....
Dive bombing is simply a term for an aggressive "forceful" pass on the inside. You see it time and time again in the F1 world, as well as in the motorcycle racing world.
it may not be the cleanest, but if it works, and it is done without bumping, IMO it is fair.
This "lesser guy" talk is ridiculous. If you cant pass him back, is he really lesser? If he can't get by any other way, passes you by dive bombing, then simply out runs you is he really lesser?
I personall have used this tactic in the past for hose guys you just cant get around, yet at the end of the race they are 3 positions back... This is especially true in the Motocross/supermoto world, AKA Stuffing.
Now I do not believe in doing this EVERY time, as it would cause an unsually high incident rate. However, I do not believe in flaming a guy for doing it.
In other words, I completely agree with TJ and Jason.
MY 2c.
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Chris Hurst
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Justin Martin wrote: | Truthfully this is quite silly.....
Dive bombing is simply a term for an aggressive "forceful" pass on the inside. You see it time and time again in the F1 world, as well as in the motorcycle racing world.
it may not be the cleanest, but if it works, and it is done without bumping, IMO it is fair.
This "lesser guy" talk is ridiculous. If you cant pass him back, is he really lesser? If he can't get by any other way, passes you by dive bombing, then simply out runs you is he really lesser?
I personall have used this tactic in the past for hose guys you just cant get around, yet at the end of the race they are 3 positions back... This is especially true in the Motocross/supermoto world, AKA Stuffing.
Now I do not believe in doing this EVERY time, as it would cause an unsually high incident rate. However, I do not believe in flaming a guy for doing it.
In other words, I completely agree with TJ and Jason.
MY 2c.
-Justin |
I posted a video of F1 2012 Onboard Germany, in one of the highlights I think it's Hamilton who dive bombs Vettel and Vettel is throwing his hand out of the cockpit as if to protest a "dirty" pass. It always surprises me when they do that in F1, at that level as a driver I would expect the most aggressive passes and drivers in the world. |
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Walt Gifford
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I can't tell you how many time some fool has come up the inside on me with no hope of making the turn.
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TJ Koyen
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Chris Hurst wrote: | | Justin Martin wrote: | Truthfully this is quite silly.....
Dive bombing is simply a term for an aggressive "forceful" pass on the inside. You see it time and time again in the F1 world, as well as in the motorcycle racing world.
it may not be the cleanest, but if it works, and it is done without bumping, IMO it is fair.
This "lesser guy" talk is ridiculous. If you cant pass him back, is he really lesser? If he can't get by any other way, passes you by dive bombing, then simply out runs you is he really lesser?
I personall have used this tactic in the past for hose guys you just cant get around, yet at the end of the race they are 3 positions back... This is especially true in the Motocross/supermoto world, AKA Stuffing.
Now I do not believe in doing this EVERY time, as it would cause an unsually high incident rate. However, I do not believe in flaming a guy for doing it.
In other words, I completely agree with TJ and Jason.
MY 2c.
-Justin |
I posted a video of F1 2012 Onboard Germany, in one of the highlights I think it's Hamilton who dive bombs Vettel and Vettel is throwing his hand out of the cockpit as if to protest a "dirty" pass. It always surprises me when they do that in F1, at that level as a driver I would expect the most aggressive passes and drivers in the world. |
I saw that video and wasn't sure why Vettel had his hand up. Hamilton schooled him and took the line away. It was well-executed. Vettel got "butt-hurt" as Jason would say.
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Troy V Smith
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How about this one - just this past weekend at NOLA!!? Everyone is fine, a few bent axles and smashed bumpers, but otherwise ok. Yea, I'm the orange football - not what you're expecting!
http://youtu.be/o2GEOh2Ftwg
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Justin Martin
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| Quite frankly the driver that we were on board with was all over the place! Sometimes when you get a driver (who may actually be slower) can be all over the place and can't keep a line, therefore a last resort is an aggressive pass. Truthfully it could have been really clean if his kart didn't hop mid turn. |
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