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Brian G. Wilson
Joined: 18 Sep 2007 Posts: 679 Location: United States, Florida,
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:05 am Post subject: |
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Ben,
The Aixro doesn't max out at 10,000 rpms....it has a max safe operating rpm's of 10,800 and there is a rev limiter. I've been reading the specs on the newest model and they put a new PVL ignition on it and rate it at 11,000 rpm's. All the manuals and info can be found here:
http://www.woelfle-engineering.com/Produkte/produkte_XR50rotaryengine_en.html
I have the Aixro and have many, many hours on it. Yes, it would be great if they would come up with a simple 2 speed option like the DD2 has. I think a 5 or 6 speed transmission would just make it scary fast and quite honestly, too dangerous. However, I have found as the operating manual states, that the Aixro works very well on a track designed for karting. Yes, it is going to run into issues at a longer road course that is shared by karts, bikes and cars. I know things are different around the country, but I have found that the tracks in the .7 - 1.2 mile length are the most fun for this engine as they don't have the tight, almost come to a stop hair pin corners. I have found the tracks that are .6 miles or shorter are not nearly as much fun to drive (for me) as you have to gear down to get the right rpm's for the tight, tight hairpin corners and the 80' straights between them.....when you are geared correctly, then the engine produces way too much torque & power and it becomes a handful to drive and you can get out of shape very quickly. On the newer engines, they come with Tomar clutches, not the Hortsman they used to come with. I would have to read the spec manual on my clutch, but it has varying tension springs you can use and I have mine where it engages around 3,500 rpm's but could put in another set of springs and have it engage around 4,000 rpm's if wanted.
As I stated before, this is not the end all, be all motor.....but it is fun as can be for what it is and how I use it.
As to the original question as to why they haven't become more popular may have to do with Renntech, the US importer for the engine. They list the SLR Aixro kart on their website for $18,285 and state that you need to add $1,200 for the building the kart for a turn key package. To me, it looks as though they are targeting rich, playboy types who want a kart parked next to their Ferrari or SLR Mercedes. _________________ KEEP WORKING....millions of people on welfare depend on you !! |
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Gary M Smith
Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 147 Location: United States, California, Fullerton
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Chris Hurst wrote: | | Gary M Smith wrote: | I think Jim McMahon said it best, some people like to bang gears.
I moved from 125cc Tag to 80cc shifter, not to go faster, but to bang gears. I am only a tad faster than my Tag times and having blast doing so.
I have driven an Aixro, it was powerful, which led to overdriving into the corners, the owner wasn't too happy neither were the tires.
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Would you say you were conscious of the fact you were over driving in corners during the drive? How would you describe the way the kart lays down the power compared to a TaG or a shifter kart?
Just curious about the comment someone made earlier saying the power band is not suited to karting. After looking at Renntech's dyno I'm curious to get the drivers perspective of someone who has driven one as well as TaG and an 80cc shifter.
What is your opinion of the performance? |
Chris, the motor sound of the Aixro is completely different than a conventional 2 stroke engine, you don't realize you are going 15-20mph faster down the straights, getting yourself into big trouble entering the corners. I would say as far a performance the rotary was a little sluggish off the slow corners but was killer on the faster corners as well as the straights. I was only .75 seconds faster in the rotary than my best Tag time at that track. That was 5 years ago, I feel I could do much better now, given the chance.
Gary _________________ #55 Honda CR-80 |
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Chris Hurst
Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 569 Location: United States, California,
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| Gary M Smith wrote: | | Chris Hurst wrote: | | Gary M Smith wrote: | I think Jim McMahon said it best, some people like to bang gears.
I moved from 125cc Tag to 80cc shifter, not to go faster, but to bang gears. I am only a tad faster than my Tag times and having blast doing so.
I have driven an Aixro, it was powerful, which led to overdriving into the corners, the owner wasn't too happy neither were the tires.
Gary |
Would you say you were conscious of the fact you were over driving in corners during the drive? How would you describe the way the kart lays down the power compared to a TaG or a shifter kart?
Just curious about the comment someone made earlier saying the power band is not suited to karting. After looking at Renntech's dyno I'm curious to get the drivers perspective of someone who has driven one as well as TaG and an 80cc shifter.
What is your opinion of the performance? |
Chris, the motor sound of the Aixro is completely different than a conventional 2 stroke engine, you don't realize you are going 15-20mph faster down the straights, getting yourself into big trouble entering the corners. I would say as far a performance the rotary was a little sluggish off the slow corners but was killer on the faster corners as well as the straights. I was only .75 seconds faster in the rotary than my best Tag time at that track. That was 5 years ago, I feel I could do much better now, given the chance.
Gary |
Thanks for the info Gary. I would think a machine like the Aixro is a lot more challenging to drive than a TaG kart and would take some good practice to get proficient. Would love to give one of these engines a go, but wouldn't want to be the one footing the bill  |
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Jean Stafford
Joined: 19 Jul 2001 Posts: 324 Location: United States, Ohio, Dayton
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:00 am Post subject: |
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I think the reason it didn;t catch on was because, in my opinion, there was a design flaw.
The engine out there was limited to about 10,000 RPM because of the design of the ignition system. It was very out of balance, and the crank supporting it was small, perhaps too small. Over 10K the crank flexed and the magnets hit the stator, generally cauysing a lot of damage, expensive damage.
They did produce massive amounts of torque, and exceeded 50Hp, but the expense of over-revving them was too much. _________________ Jean Stafford
Stafford's Racing
Dayton, Ohio
ROTAX Repair station,
jean@sgandt.com
Started Karting in 1959
"Some people are like 'Slinkies', worthless, but they bring a smile to your faqce when you push them downstairs." |
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alan speyrer
Joined: 22 Apr 2008 Posts: 1329
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:40 am Post subject: |
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come on benn, you know you want one! heck i want to put two of them on a kart!
| Benn Herr wrote: | Chris, The power band is poorly suited to karting because it runs you too close to a condition where the engine can hurt itself, not any problem with how it lays down power. It makes great power with a very flat torque curve from 3750 to 10,000 rpm - impressive! A curve like that would work really well with a gearbox. Wind it up, grab a gear, and do it again. The trouble starts when you run it as a one gear machine. With the power the rotary has it will easily run 80 mph on any decent sized Sprint track. Geared to do 80 at 10,000 means it will be going 30 mph at 3750. That's okay if none of your corners are below 30. Many Sprint tracks have a corner or two that are in the 20 to 25 mph range and you will definitely be off the power band. Not a big deal, you're all in the same boat. Until somebody adds a tooth to the rear axle to get a better drive off the slow corners. A little higher rpm and a little quicker into the rebuild/repair zone. And once one person does it, everybody has to do it. The guys over in the UK are asking questions about that exact situation.
Successful kart engines all have a margin of over rev before they get into a problem zone. The Briggs flathead, KT-100, JICA, FA, ICC/KZ all offer a margin of over-rev that the rotary does not. That's a big part of why they were/are popular. It's not a problem if you are willing to live within the limitations the engine has but it is perhaps more of a "Gentleman's" class than a serious racing engine. |
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