Upcoming WKA 2013 changes to Juniors and Seniors can class

Ray Mcik · Joined: 26 Mar 2005 Posts: 531

I have been hearing of proposed changes to the Junior can class , they are going to add a restrictor to slow them down, then add spec pipe to the Senior can class to speed them up and do away with the 4-hole can...

On the Senior Can class this is just going to additional cost and upkeep on the KT100,

why ?
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Gary Osterholt · Site Admin Joined: 18 Jul 2001 Posts: 2769

Why?

Something I know I've said for a while, why move up if you're going to go slower.

Look at the Norway WKA Pole Qualifying Times

Yamaha Rookie 1 - 53.172
Yamaha Rookie 2 - 53.180

Yamaha Sportsman 1 - 52.214
Yamaha Sportsman 2 - 52.486

Yamaha Jr. Lite - 48.769
Yamaha Jr. Heavy - 48.903

Yamaha Sr. Lite - 49.373
Yamaha Sr. Heavy - 49.827

Of course this is just one race, but you have a huge increase in speed between Sportsman to Juniors. This weekend, Juniors were +3.5 faster.

Now you look at the jump from Juniors to Seniors. You slow down over half a second.

And in my opinion at the national level this is one reason you see so many Juniors going straight into TaG. And leaving the 100cc classes.

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Ray Mcik · Joined: 26 Mar 2005 Posts: 531

I see the point you are making, but I do not think it is going to have the effect they are looking for unless you put restrictions on when you can make the jump from Juniors to Tag.

Tag is where the action is, so naturally the young guns are going to go there...
Unless you put in 18 + restriction...
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Gary Osterholt · Site Admin Joined: 18 Jul 2001 Posts: 2769

It might not be a short term fix, but I think in the long run it will help grow the 100cc classes.

I don't know what anyone says, running a 100cc (Yamaha or Komet) is cheaper than a TAG.
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Mark Dismore Jr · Advertiser Joined: 21 Jul 2001 Posts: 1099

Open post to WKA - Messing with Yamaha Can class is a MAJOR mistake. Don't do it! Numbers in Senior's continues to grow and Junior class is already big. The class isn't broke so please don't try to fix it.

KPV was adjusted so it would go faster and participation has steadily declined to the point where the class doesn't even get 10 entries each day.

Make the minimum age of TaG Senior 17 and you solve a lot of issues.

Mark

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Mike Unger · Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:21 pm Post subject:

I agree with Mark the Yamaha is the best thing going. The junior classes in particular.

But I don't like the stupid can. Its noisy, makes a mess, and breaks often. I heard that the IKF changed to a KPV pipe and ended up with the same performance with less mess and better reliability. If anything is changed that is is my suggestion.

The speed is fine, cost is great, and lots of racers to race against. Don't screw it up.

Patrizio Torregiani · Joined: 02 Jul 2012 Posts: 10

slowing down our juniors is not a good idea, juniors in Europe and other parts of the world go much faster, and advance quicker to faster things. Even though Yamaha is an ancient formula we shouldn't slow it down, it's slow enough already.
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Dan Schlosser · Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:57 pm Post subject:

We are looking to make a long term commitment to the 100cc program here so I'll be very curious to see what is proposed. Our Senior program has been hurting with the lack of new blood the last few years. I think a simple adjustment of the pipe configuration similar to what was tried last year at Route 66 and a few other places could be a big help if there is support across the board for it.

I'm not convinced Yamaha Senior Can is broken but if there is a solution that makes the whole ladder better, we could get behind it.

I don't really buy that the PRD Pipe/angled header option would be a cost issue. Most of us replace a Can a year anyway and the Pipe/Header isn't much more than the Can and everything else including the clutch stays the same in terms of buying parts. I suppose you need a pipe mount too...

Mike Unger · Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:21 am Post subject:

Well I am with Mark on this. We are getting ready for a serious commitment with the Man Cup and Divisional series. If they screw it all up and slow them down we will run Marks series.

mike prokup · Joined: 11 Jan 2009 Posts: 231

If they do what you say they are going to do it will drive many racers away from Yamaha.

It is not about the speed. It is the competition.

What about the motors? Now everyone will be looking for the special pipe cylinder. What about rebuilds? Getting 1.5 hrs between them now. What will be required with a pipe?

This sport is seriously messed up. There are not a lot of people in this sport so driving even a few away is a real mistake. That pipe class in route 66 did not last very long. Why?

Tim Reed · Joined: 30 Jul 2002 Posts: 93 Location: Cincinnati