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Jeff Sligh



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Might want to check out landracing.com, Jon has put a new section in about scooter LSR, and there was a group that rented Bonneville for running scooters, the person who runs the group is a member of that forum, just can't remember his name, and he also has a website.

Couple of suggestions I have, run a Kawasaki 100cc motor or bore out a CR85, keep it in one gear, do a little work on the porting, and go out and have some fun with it.

Might want to also consider running at Loring or Maxton, both are ECTA tracks, there is a LSR track in Texas, of course Bonneville, and there is a track in Australia if you feel like traveling.

The current ECTA record published in their 2010 rulebook for a 100cc motorcycle was set by Michael Schneider in June of 2008 at 105.011 mph. I have a little bit of LSR experience, still putting together a lakester to run on the east coast, if you would like to talk, just PM me or email me at slyonejr@yahoo.com, would be willing to help in any way I can.

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John Mulvihill



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

Where do you find the organizing bodies and their rules?

So far all I've found is something that says "no more karts" and a site that has 'speed limits' below what is being run at Daytona.

Thanks,
John
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Chris Hegar



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Couple of suggestions I have, run a Kawasaki 100cc motor or bore out a CR85, keep it in one gear, do a little work on the porting, and go out and have some fun with it.


You would have fun but it's not going to compete with what's already built by the Italians. The purpose built Reedjet or Ital Sistem will torture any home grown port job. Might raise up the exhaust a little but it's not gonna get much better than one of those little guys on fuel. I think most round here would agree. Pipe options would be another matter, the current rr runners in the know are keeping quiet I believe. Wink 105 mph seems easy but in that air (roughly 7500 ft corrected alt) it's going to be a challenge.
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David Armstrong



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John M.

"Where do you find the organizing bodies and their rules? "

My friends (Wilshire Walkup, Lindsay & Charles Fox) went to the salt flats with their laydown Yamaha went by the rules on this site:

http://www.saltflats.com/

They had a good time although they said don't take anything out there that you don't want to corrode. I helped unload and clean their stuff when they got back and everything had salt on it. Tools, parts, pipes, everything.

Good Luck to anyone who makes an attempt.

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Anthony Honeywell



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to the posters Jim Stroud and Drew Hockenson have hung in their shops.

Dave Bradley went 120 mph. That was an Alky 100cc Open (rotary valve, I believe)


They also, went through several motors......
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Jason Santander



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris, all,
If your dad is looking for vintage 100cc, even 135cc euro motors, Theres an abundance of these overseas, japan, mostly in the philippines. Sirio, Parilla, PCR, Dap, Atomik, Comet, some piston port, mostly Rotary V. lots of these for cheap sitting in garages after everyone switched to Tags. Karting is big in asia since the 80's, they follow alot of european trends. You would think hondas are big in japan/ asia but not at all, in fact, most have never heard of shifters other than DD2's.
I think my dad has a bunch of Parilla & PCR 100's, let me know, they should be put to good use with what your doing. The dollar is strong in asia, you can buy anything for cheap
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Chris Hegar



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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According to the posters Jim Stroud and Drew Hockenson have hung in their shops.

Dave Bradley went 120 mph. That was an Alky 100cc Open (rotary valve, I believe)


This I believe... Wink
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John Mulvihill



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Dave,

From that web site:

"Go Karts are no longer permitted at USFRA events"

There was no explanation given. Good thing they went when they did.

No idea what the other orgs say.

Thanks, it was a good thought.

John
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Jeff Doidge



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

Just as an option I use to run superstock in sprint and road racing with a PCR TSL98 with an HPV clutch and a direct drive pipe. The only time i burned the clutch up was my first road race and before the green I had it sitting on the stall a bit to long Embarassed . But beside that it always worked perfect.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get an old rotary FSA motor (Titan, Rotax, Vortex) and run the 30mm slide pumper with gas, or dualies with alky. Alky will be quicker for sure, btu then you have to mess with your compression and ignition timing
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Open 100cc power Reply with quote

Chris Hegar wrote:
I'm guessing on a kart at Utah 7500 ft corrected alt about 110 due to poor air, in a bike about 102.

Watcha think?


I think ......the guy in the video had his 50cc at 147 mph !

..or are we thinking different class ??
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in the 60s a Tony kart with a Parilla rotary valve managed 122 mph. It was a little "different" however.
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Levi Harris



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I finally got around to finishing it up. I decided to do it with some old school style while I was at it.
Ended up with a custom billet case and useing a italian scooter cylinder and crank. The thing is a monster, it's just plain scary to ride.
Gonna take the leg shields off and gear it up for some speed runs but it allready hit 68 on the gps fully dressed out and geared low... I think it will have no problem hitting 100mph.
Here's a link to the moped garage.
http://garage.1977mopeds.com/build/843

Thanks for all the advise and help.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is a cool looking bike!
I would have though TM K11B 100cc WC rotary with a 30mm alky atomizer. Set the disc and ports to kill and hook it up with a CVT. Should be good for 45HP at peak.
Aero is essential as well of course.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't forget your steering damper!! My Honda Hobbit and Puch's are light in the front and without stiffening the chassis and swingarm bushings they're not easy to ride above about 55 MPH. The Puch is best and really improved with the replacement of the rubber swingarm bushing with brass.
Check with the guys at Treatland.tv and Mopedarmy.com for a combination of BS and some good help. Also, Nate at Motomaticmopeds.com can be very helpful.
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