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  • #74583

    Aaron LaRoque
    Participant

    Ok Racingmom, you think your shaming me on EKN over me claiming Reece Gold’s motor.  The only thing your doing on behalf of your little embarrassing friend is making yourselves look like crybabys.

    You did not see me, Thome, or PJ Jones crying on EKN after our motors were claimed at Springnats in Phoenix this year.

    #74584

    Aaron LaRoque
    Participant

    And also Racingmom, after my motor was claimed in Phoenix, I found who claimed it and I went to that person and shook their hand and said, no hard feelings, its the rules and I have no problem with him claiming it.  Guess I’m a poor sport.

    #74587

    Mark Traylor
    Participant

    Aaron,
    I also know that Alan Rudolph’s engine was claimed at Texas PKC also. I have never had one claimed but it would’nt bother me I would just go buy another one. I don’t have a large engine development program so I would not be out anything. I think the claim needs to used more often, just to let people know that it is ok to use the rule otherwise there is no reason to have the rule. Any “unwritten rule” just undermines what SKUSA is trying to accomplish with having the rule.

    Calling into question Diego LaRoque’s sportsmanship or character is ridiculous and just shows you do not know these people. Aaron and I have had our differences but he runs a hell of a race program with a hell of a driver on less money than a lot of people out there. (I don’t know his budget but I know what he does for a living and it isn’t like he is independently wealthy).

    people need to use their names and show some transparency

    #74589

    Patrick Roth
    Participant

    The irony of arguing an unwritten rule against a written rule…  uh… sorry racingmom but the poor sportsmanship is clearly in your corner.  We all have to play by the rules, especially the written ones, regardless of whether we like them or not.

    Racingmom, I’m not one that usually gets in this sort of debate but you touched a nerve. I suggest you focus on learning respect and fair play.  Our sport could use more of it…

    #74590

    joe morgan
    Participant

    If someone is going to come on ekn and call someone out at least have the sack to use your real name.  In my opinion Aaron is one of the better sports in the karting world…always willing to help others almost to a fault.

    Whether you like the claiming rule or not the fact is it exist and is just part of the game. Sorry you are unhappy race mom that someone Else’s motor was claimed…… Seems either you are not who you say you are or you are the poor sport!!! Just sayin!!!

    #74608

    Matt Martin
    Participant

    Rules are written to keep things in check. Right?

    I don’t think a reply was even necessary. I think the person outed themselves as the bad sport without any extra attention.

    #74615

    Greg Pierson
    Participant

    RE “DIEGO LAROQUE POOR SPORT AWARD” post by ‘racing mom’

    Using the name of a 10-year-old boy in a negative post on a public forum is inappropriate and just plain wrong!

    And anyone that would suggest Diego or his dad Aaron are poor sports obviously doesn’t know them.

    Here’s the content of the post …

    “If you can’t beat em, buy em! Racing mom has learned that Diego Laroque’s dad has just CLAIMED Reece Gold’s motor at the Supernats. Everyone knows although SKUSA is a claiming race, it’s an unwritten rule that this JUST ISN’T DONE. If your child can’t win with his equipment, buying someone else’s isn’t going to help! No problem with Diego here, I’m sure he doesn’t even know his daddy is trying to buy him a podium. By the way, I’m not Reece’s mom, just a racing mom trying to keep it real. SHAME ON YOU MR. LAROQUE!”

    What’s going on here seems pretty simple to me. After qualifying 5th overall and going on to win all three of his heat races (simply a phenomenal performance), Reece Gold started the main on pole. For whatever reason, Reece ended up finishing 15th. I don’t know why as I was preoccupied watching my own kid struggle. Missed setup, mechanical issue, racing incident, the pressure got to a young driver … Whatever the cause, you were super disappointed. Fine. Who wouldn’t have been? And then to add insult to injury, the dad of a kid that finishes ahead of you claims your engine. I get it. But this is absolutely no excuse to create an account on ekartingnews to post this or ask someone else to do it for you. If you don’t already, I suspect you will regret doing this and hopefully you’ll give Aaron a call to apologize.

    Reece, you’re a great driver and I’m sorry the final results on Super Sunday didn’t reflect that. Keep your head up.

    Diego, You’re a great driver, a great kid and a good sport. Try to ignore what others say that don’t know you.

    More life lessons from the track.

    #74616

    Greg Pierson
    Participant

    Having never received the unwritten rule memo, I claimed LaRoque’s engine in Phoenix. He was a perfect gentleman about it and has subsequently said hi and shook my hand and every race.

    Again, anyone that would suggest Diego or his dad are poor sports clearly doesn’t know them.

    #74617

    Dan Schlosser
    Participant

    I love the claim rule – glad someone is putting it to proper use. If you don’t like the rule, don’t overspend on your engine package or pick another series to run. There are no “Unwritten Rules”, only written rules – Aaron followed the rule book to the letter as others have done when claiming his engines.  I may not be thrilled to lose a proven engine but I also know we trust our engine program and engine builders enough to know that in the other box we have an engine we can bolt on that will do the same job.

    The magic happens with the squishy thing between the seat and steering wheel and the amount of time Aaron and Diego put in to working on the driver is where their success comes from above all. A good engine never hurts either though. 😉

    #74619

    Ed Portz
    Participant

    Aaron LaRoque is the farthest thing from a poor sport.  The Claiming rule is the best thing ever, it would of saved Rotax if they implemented it 4 years ago.

    #74627

    Erik Gerlof
    Participant

    Of everything that’s wrong in karting calling out the Aaron is the last thing I would think off. If all in the karting community would be like the LaRoque family we would not have this discussion.

    Shame on you anonymous person called “kartingmom”.

     

     

    #74701

    Mark Just
    Participant

    We are going into our second year of Karting. we ran the Briggs lo206

    My question is what is the “claiming” rule you all speak of.

     

    Asking because I really don’t know

    #74731

    Greg Pierson
    Participant

    In SKUSA, you can put up a certain amount of money (generally about $500 more than the cost of a new engine) to take (claim) another competitors engine. You fill out a form and put up the cash before the final race of an event, and when the competitor comes off the track tech facilitates the transfer.

    When engines aren’t sealed by the factory like they are in L206, engine builders seal them and racers can spend thousands looking for a few tenths of a horsepower. Claiming rules help keep this to a minimum.

    Here’s the actual rule for MiniSwift, the class being ‘discussed’ here.

    “Claiming: Any competitor may claim an engine entered in the event subject to the following conditions: Claimant must be entered in the race and have participated in at least two events in the class during the calendar year. For the first race of the year, participation in the last race of previous year will meet this requirement. Claimed engine must have cleared Technical Inspection for the event. It is not implied or a guarantee the claimed engine is legal or will pass future technical inspections — “let the buyer beware” engines are claimed as is. Claimant must provide certified funds or cash in the amount of $2500 USD. Claimed engine will be delivered to the Claimant under the supervision of the event Technical Director and Race Director at the end of the event. Claimed engine will be complete, less engine mount and chain/clutch cover.”

    #74765

    Walt Gifford
    Participant

    Well did the claimed engine run any better?

    Gif

    FAA certified jet engine and aircraft technician,
    Nicholson Speedway class champion 2001,
    Yamaha KT100 Service Center,
    41 years karting experience

    #74859

    Mark Just
    Participant

    Well did the claimed engine run any better? Gif

    this is wild. Like I said, this is our second season coming up and have only ran briggs. So this is something new to us.

     

    Thank you for the info Greg

    #77277

    Anonymous

    My personal thoughts are that you should not be able to take some ones personal property. It would be like going into a parking lot at the grocery store and seeing a like car that’s more shinny and trading keys against the persons will. This is America and we own our things and should not have them taken from anyone. This rule to me has a loop hole as a law suit in it. I don’t post on here to often so this is where stand. This is racing not baseball or golfing so its based on Driver, Engine,Chassis and tuning has to all come together. This is where people loose perspective and think its all engine. What rule is next if you get beat do I get the other kids kart or the kid behind the wheel making it fast. Enjoy Karting for what great sport it is.

     

    Ron White

    #77281

    Tim Landon
    Participant

    My personal thoughts are it’s a good rule.  It helps to slightly thwart cheating.  And we all know that a lot of consistent winners are good, but they also cheat.  Or should I be politically correct and say, “interpret the rules in their favor”.  Happens in all forms of sport.  It’s part of racing. It’s human nature, unfortunately.  I used to race rc cars years back.  Batteries were the source of power.  Rules stated in this class,  only used batteries could be used and could be claimed for $25.  Which is cheap.  Also they where not subject to tech inspection because of that. The guy who consistently won, actually spanked everybody every race,  told me he couldn’t believe no one ever claimed his batteries. They where totally illegal and he admitted to it.  AJ Foyt even said, “It ain’t cheatin unless you get caught”.

     

    #77285

    Aaron Hachmeister
    Participant

    This isn’t so much taking as it is “forced buying/selling.” The claimer doesn’t get to just take the engine. They need to pay for it. About $500 above market price for a new one actually. The original owner gets money for it, to use towards a new engine. You aren’t just “trading keys,” and most people are completely fine with the rule unless they’re cheating with the engine. The point is to keep one person from spending 3x your budget to get a motor that’ll beat the whole field. Those are the people losing perspective on what a winning setup actually is, not the ones utilizing a claiming rule built to keep competition more equal and dependent on driving ability.

    Aaron – I don’t know you, but from everything I’ve heard/read on this post tells me you’re not the guy this woman made you out to be. I wish you and Diego the best of luck in your 2017 season, as well as everyone else on these forums.

    #77602

    Christian Fox
    Participant

    Rotax claiming is coming folks. ECKC (Canada) just announced a claiming rule for Rotax motors effective this season. I would expect the US to follow suit; Canada is typically used as a trial balloon for Rotax rule changes, and the US usually follows the following year. I believe Canada briefly had a claiming rule at one point back when Lance Stroll’s dad was going bananas on his motor program. It will be interesting to watch. I would expect every single PSL motor built by Dan Lambert to get claimed after the first round of ECKC.

    Claiming rules aren’t designed to prevent cheating; that’s what tech is for. They are designed to discourage guys from part matching 20 motors to pick up .2 of a hp.

     

     

    #77632

    Aaron Hachmeister
    Participant

    You are right, I didn’t mean cheating but that slipped my mind as I wrote it out. This rule is about putting more money into the engine than others can afford, drawing away from the focus of driver ability

    #77673

    Christian Fox
    Participant

    Well, so much for the Canadian trial balloon…Rotax claiming rule US for 2017 starting at US Open this summer.

    #77684

    Walt Gifford
    Participant

    It doesn’t matter. The ones cherry picking engines will just have to do it more often.

    Gif

    FAA certified jet engine and aircraft technician,
    Nicholson Speedway class champion 2001,
    Yamaha KT100 Service Center,
    41 years karting experience

    #78108

    Dan Schlosser
    Participant

    A funny thing happened this weekend at Florida Winter Tour Rok weekend – Reece Gold’s engine was claimed yet again! I wonder when Racingmom will cry foul?

    Oh the karting world is a peculiar place some days. LOL

    #79605

    Mike Gordon
    Participant

    I’ve got no dog in this fight, however, here’s A thought for “RacingMom”,

    I’ve raced in various forms of Motorsports including professional offshore boat racing. They also had “engine claiming” rules, as well as propeller claiming rules. Some high-end props can run $2000-plus. Some engines start in the $40 k range and MUCH higher! Every driver/throttleman/owner is aware of this rule when they pay for & sign there name on the entry fee.  It is a great way to control the classes without a lot of time (and expense) spent on tech inspections. Claiming rules are an effective and low cost way of keeping racers honest. If someone “claims” a perfectly legal engine, chances are they lost money.

    Gordo

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