Home Forums Chassis & Handling Seat struts stiffen kart? What about weights up high?

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    William Weiler
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    Do seat struts actually prevent weight transfer? Yikes! I thought it was the opposite. What do people think of putting weight higher up on the seat to get more weight transfer?

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    #88701

    Jim Howe
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    It has been my experience that seat struts do transfer weight to their respective corner. I have not heard of them preventing weight transfer. And when a seat strut has broke, my drivers notice the lack of transfer.

    Same story for the weight up high. It changes the center of gravity and tends to help the kart “lean” more in the turns (transfer weight), which is especially helpful when your driver is small. Now, if your driver is more normal sized or taller, I definitely would not put the weight high on the seat; rather, I’d put it as low as possible.

    #88816

    TJ Koyen
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    Seat struts do both. They stiffen the relationship between the seat and the frame, but they increase weight transfer because you’re forming that much more direct connection from the seat to the bearing hangers.

    I’ve seen karts get massive inside rear wheel lift with no struts on, but they can’t maintain that lift because the outside tire isn’t being driven into the track surface. The lift is coming purely from chassis flex in that case, not necessarily from weight transfer.

    I would say 95% of sprint karts with Yamaha-level power or higher are going to be running at least one additional strut per side. Anything higher than Yamaha it’s basically a necessity. Sometimes you can run without them in Yamaha depending on track conditions. On a 206 I would test it both ways and see what it does. I know my dad runs without them, but given his experience (or lack thereof), I don’t know if he’s a good benchmark.

    Regarding weight placement, Jim was basically spot-on. I’m smaller (5’7″, 130lbs) so we always start with our weights at the top of the seat.

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    #88844

    Tim Koyen
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    <span style=”color: #444444; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: #efefef;”>On a 206 I would test it both ways and see what it does. I know my dad runs without them, but given his experience (or lack thereof), I don’t know if he’s a good benchmark.</span>

    Hey!…okay, that’s probably true, just like everything else you said.  Bolt on struts reduce chassis flex, but they also direct the forces to the proper place, the bearing cassettes.  In my tuner experience, they help lift the inside tire as well as drive the outside tire into the track.  In my driving experience, I haven’t a clue, since I’m a bad driver.  🙂

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