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  • #14072

    Ray Lovestead
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    Do any of you guys out there compression test to determine piston/ring wear?  I’d like a way to measure wear instead of the old “20 hour” replacement program.  I know the top guys just say replace often before important races, but that seems wasteful.

    If you do, what kind of compression do you normally see?  When do you replace?

    Edit:  Anyone do Leak Down testing?

    Ray

    #14137

    Rodney Ebersole
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    Ray, I have been doing some compression testing .  My rotax was at 150 pounds cold in Grand junction. It tests less with less air density like at my shop. I tested Norberts Pavesi after a fresh piston and ring at SBR and got a weird low reading , even tried a different gauge and still got a low reading while it ran great on track.

    I am finishing up my shifter motor rebuild and will be doing a low pressure 10 pound leak down test on the bottom end just to see how the case gasket and seals perform.

    #14158

    Ray Lovestead
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    Hey Rodney that was a pretty crappy drive back from GJMS.  I need to get an enclosed trailer.

    Do you keep track of the compression to decide when to change rings?

    Ray

    #14290

    Rodney Ebersole
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    I have tried to yet my lack of regular maintenance has eliminated the need for a compression tester to tell me when I have lost all my compression.

    #14543

    Ray Lovestead
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    Rod

    I just did a couple of tests that you might be interested in.

    I took a measurement at cold with an old piston/ring (about 5 races) and it measured 95 psi.  I warmed it up and measured 110.

    Looking at the piston is was past its prime.  So I changed it out (new top end) and now I’m getting 110 cold and 120 at hot.  Seems like I should be getting more pressure out of it.  Do you know what this could mean?  Worn out jug?  The cylinder is pretty darn good…  If I had a new cylinder it would be nice to try out.

    Ray

     

    #14816

    Rodney Ebersole
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    That is interesting Ray, It sounds like the odd readings we got with the Pavesi.

    A few things that may be influencing the readings. My rotax turned over at starter rpms with a full charged battery, should make note of that rpm. Be sure full throttle is applied during tests. Squish measurement should be recorded with the test along with air density.

    I haven’t tested my new build yet. I have a starter bolt mounted inside my rear axle so that I can us an electric starter on it. I will get that reading then compare it to a reading with a few pulls of the strap around the tire. But what gear should be used when starting and testing? I use 2nd gear usually yet right now I have 14 X 28 gearing on it for ice racing which is regulating the cranking speed.

     

    #14826

    Ray Lovestead
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    I run behind my kart pushing it along in 2nd or 3rd gear to get it to crank a bit.

    Why does full throttle need to be applied?

    Do you think the air density would affect it much?  Seems like the compression would overwhelm the relatively small changes in density.

     

    Ray

    #14859

    Jim White
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    You need the trottle open so it can pull as much air through it as possible. You will also see low readings on a brand new top end until the ring seats properly.

    The biggest thing with checking compression is do it the same way everytime. Otherwise the numbers are meaningless.

    #14936

    Rodney Ebersole
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    Ray, Like Jim said “same way every time”  air density included.

    http://www.macdizzy.com/update4.html

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